Cash for Clunkers - Good or Bad Idea?

4110 messages, Last post on Nov 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM

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#1386 of 4110 Is Toyota Exaggerating? by maryh3 Jul 04, 2009 (2:47 am)
According to various sites my 2000 3.8L T&C minivan qualifies for getting 18 mpg combined. When I go to the Toyota site and plug it in here: http://www.buyatoyota.com/cars.aspx?siteid=tcom_C4C_bat_rebate%20calc It tells me I can get a $4500 rebate for a 3.5L AWD Rav4. The AWD Rav4 is listed on various sites as getting 21 mpg combined. Since this is only 3 mpg better that what I'm trading in shouldn't it be only $3500? I thought that it had to be a 5 mpg better than my trade in to get the $4500? Am I missing something? Replies to this message: joegiant (Jul 04, 2009 3:11 am) maryh3 (Jul 04, 2009 4:14 am) gagrice (Jul 04, 2009 5:31 am) plekto (Jul 04, 2009 6:44 am)
#1387 of 4110 Re: Is Toyota Exaggerating? [maryh3] by joegiant Jul 04, 2009 (3:11 am)
Replying to: maryh3 (Jul 04, 2009 2:47 am) That same Toyota site has my '87 F-150 4.9L (rated at 16mpg on the guv website) as ineligible fpr the program. With a grain of salt... Why not go directly to the Cash for Clunkers website and key in your data? Much more accurate. Replies to this message: maryh3 (Jul 04, 2009 4:14 am)
#1388 of 4110 Re: Is Toyota Exaggerating? [joegiant] by maryh3 Jul 04, 2009 (4:14 am)
Replying to: joegiant (Jul 04, 2009 3:11 am) So you are saying to take the Cash for Clunkers website info over Toyota's -- unless it is Toyota who is giving me the rebate.
#1389 of 4110 Re: This is an outrageous program ... [steve_] by gagrice Jul 04, 2009 (5:11 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Jul 03, 2009 8:36 pm) There have been unintended consequences with the program: It may do the same in July. At least till the last week after the NHTSA puts out the official RULES. Looks like Subaru, Kia & Ford are gaining market share in this market. Also VW is doing well selling their diesel Jettas. Chrysler, GM and Toyota are the BIG losers this year. Ford may end up on top this year. Ford got their act together with the best midsized hybrid and its non hybrid stable mate. Those should be big sellers in the clunker trade business. Half way through the year and only 4.8 million sold. How is the C4C with only 250,000 additional sales going to make an impact in the market. You are going to probably frustrate more buyers than you satisfy. The guy with a legitimate clunker that cannot get financing drives home in his old beater. Another thinks his vehicle should qualify and it does not with the same result. Look at the sales for June. 859K total sales, off from last year by 27.7%. 250,000 more cars sold in a single month would not equal last years poor sales. Cracking 10 million sales this year will be a tough sell, even with this lame C4C bill. I agree with Koshti, this is more socialism. Reward those that make bad decisions with money from those that do not. Replies to this message: elroy5 (Jul 04, 2009 5:30 am) maryh3 (Jul 04, 2009 6:09 am) kdhspyder (Jul 04, 2009 7:05 am) Mr_Shiftright (Jul 04, 2009 7:27 am) andre1969 (Jul 04, 2009 7:52 am) and 4 more... maryh3 (Jul 04, 2009 7:56 am) and 1 more... hpmctorque (Jul 04, 2009 1:32 pm) gagrice (Jul 04, 2009 12:25 pm) kdhspyder (Jul 04, 2009 4:00 pm) and 1 more... steve_ (Jul 04, 2009 7:49 am) maryh3 (Jul 04, 2009 7:59 am) steve_ (Jul 04, 2009 8:05 am) and 3 more... kdhspyder (Jul 04, 2009 8:56 am) steve_ (Jul 04, 2009 9:01 am) and 3 more...
#1390 of 4110 Re: This is an outrageous program ... [gagrice] by elroy5 Jul 04, 2009 (5:30 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 04, 2009 5:11 am) So all of us who didn't buy a guzzler we didn't need in the first place are left out in the cold. And what about someone who did this very thing (traded a guzzler for a hybrid) last year? They must be fuming right now.
#1391 of 4110 Re: Is Toyota Exaggerating? [maryh3] by gagrice Jul 04, 2009 (5:31 am)
Replying to: maryh3 (Jul 04, 2009 2:47 am) The Toyota website needs a serious overhaul. It says my 99 Ford Ranger 2WD FFV auto does not qualify for any amount. According to the gov site it gets 17 MPG. That is a generous rating for this gas guzzling under powered truck. Sadly no new small truck with enough power to pull my utility trailer qualifies. Have a wonderful 4th of July..... Replies to this message: plekto (Jul 04, 2009 6:44 am)
#1392 of 4110 Re: This is an outrageous program ... [gagrice] by maryh3 Jul 04, 2009 (6:09 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 04, 2009 5:11 am) I wish I could help out Chrysler. My Chrysler minivans have been fantastic autos, but I already own a 2008 T&C so I'm looking for a AWD SUV to replace my 2000 T&C clunker and Chrysler really offers nothing. The 2 Jeeps - Compass and Patriot are horrible, the Sebring is pretty bad as well. Considered a hybrid Chrysler Aspen, even though it is bigger than I wanted, but it costs about 45K. It looks like there is a reason Chrysler is in trouble - their product line is weak. Though I qualify, I agree that this program, like the auto bailouts, is socialism. The government has no business interfering with the private sector like this, but they keep electing Socialists so what does anyone expect?
#1393 of 4110 Of course it's socialism by isellhondas Jul 04, 2009 (6:29 am)
Pure and simple. I'll stop there. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Jul 04, 2009 7:17 am) isellhondas (Jul 05, 2009 2:32 pm) kdhspyder (Jul 05, 2009 3:27 pm) and 2 more... ingvar (Jul 06, 2009 4:18 am) and 3 more...
#1394 of 4110 Re: Is Toyota Exaggerating? [gagrice] by plekto Jul 04, 2009 (6:44 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 04, 2009 5:31 am) What gets me is how many older vehicles that came in a dozen configurations sometimes(mostly SUVs and trucks) only have 2-3 selections listed. If they really wanted to get the worst polluters off the road, they'd make it a rolling 15-25 year old window. If you have a vehicle that's 15-25 years old, it pollutes dozens of times more than even a 5 year old one. Mine burns a quart of oil a month at nearly 275K on the engine. Yet it barely passes smog. Squeeks by at just under 300ppm, which is really stupidly high compared to anything new.
#1395 of 4110 Re: This is an outrageous program ... [gagrice] by kdhspyder Jul 04, 2009 (7:05 am)
Replying to: gagrice (Jul 04, 2009 5:11 am) Get off the political soapbox already. It's childish. Your anti-government rants about everything - on every subject - being the fault of... ..a) the local government of San Diego ..b) the state government in Sacramento ..c) the Congress ..d) the President ..e) the SCOTUS ..f) the EPA ..g) CARB ( did I miss any? ) ...is getting old and frankly boring. It's beautiful and sunny today...no rain..my grass is suffering...it's Congress' fault. I've got to work today...the EPA's fault The auto industry wrote a bill for their benefit..it's the President's fault The auto industry designed this legislation to benefit themselves. It's their bill they created it. Now it has to play out. BTW, in all your rants against everything you've been wrong nearly all the time; the first one from several years ago was the Great Battery Debate. How can you be so consistently on the wrong side of every subject? Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 04, 2009 7:27 am) andre1969 (Jul 04, 2009 7:52 am) fintail (Jul 04, 2009 7:55 am) and 3 more... maryh3 (Jul 04, 2009 7:56 am) kdhspyder (Jul 04, 2009 9:16 am) hpmctorque (Jul 04, 2009 1:32 pm) gagrice (Jul 04, 2009 12:25 pm) kdhspyder (Jul 04, 2009 4:00 pm) gagrice (Jul 04, 2009 9:36 pm)