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#12 of 16 Re: Points For Collector Enthusiasts To Consider... [hpmctorque]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Apr 01, 2009 (7:44 am)
Hagerty's argument is weak. Back in "the old days", people were very naive about what was collectible and what wasn't. But now it is very obvious within ten years time if a car is going to be valuable or not. Sure there might be a handful of people who would lament the crushing of a rusted out, tattered '82 Thunderbird, but it is a worthless thing, so what's the problem? Do we cater to the whims of a cult of ten people?
Also, do we REALLY think that someone would "accidentally" crush a Buick GNX or an '96 Impala SS or a 90s Mustang Cobra?
Miatas are already 19 years old and you can still buy a decent one for $2000. When exactly is this collectibility for this car about to start? 2050?
However, in the year 1989, a 1970 MGB or Lotus would not have been thrown to the junkyard if it was anything more than a carcass.
Collectors today are far more educated than 30 years ago IMO. They know what to keep and what to throw away, except for the "hoarders" of useless backyard junk, but that's a different issue.
The market, and restoration costs, determine what is saved. Fixing up old cars is certainly not going to suddenly get cheaper. If it is totally implausible to restore a 1990 Oldsmobile now, it's not going to get any more cost effective in the future, that's for sure.
Back when cars were made in bewildering variety, it made sense to save an old 4-door rusted out '55 Buick, because the '55 Century convertible could use some of the bits and pieces. But nowadays, this is hardly the way modern cars are built.
#13 of 16 Re: Points For Collector Enthusiasts To Consider... [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 01, 2009 (7:47 am)
Collectors today are far more educated than 30 years ago. They know what to keep and what to throw away, except for the "hoarders" of useless backyard junk, but that's a different issue.
Hey, at least all my backyard junk still runs! Well, except for my '76 LeMans, which can't be coaxed out of the garage.
While nobody would accidentally crush a Grand National, for instance, I could still see the point. A regular old Regal base or Limited doesn't have much value. However, if someone was trying to fix up a Grand National, say one that had some body damage, every old regular Regal that gets crushed is one less parts source.
Now if the thing is already clapped out and knocking at death's door, I won't shed a tear. But I don't like the idea of cars that are still useable getting crushed.
#14 of 16 Re: Points For Collector Enthusiasts To Consider... [andre1969]
Apr 01, 2009 (8:09 am)
It would be cool if the scrapped cars could be held for a short period while enthusiast groups are allowed to feast on the old heaps. The gubbamint could even make some money out of this by selling parts or selling entire cars with some kind of agreement that they would just be used for parts. This would keep anything worthy
from being destroyed, and would help out the good survivors by putting some parts into the stream.
I have a hard time not being leery of adopting something identical to what the aimless German government wants.
#15 of 16 Re: Points For Collector Enthusiasts To Consider... [fintail]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Apr 01, 2009 (8:18 am)
We can't keep this old stuff lying around. There's more and more of it every year. There's no room for it. Storage space and garage space is getting expensive everywhere but the boonies, and the boonies are not the likely place to store valuable old cars.
Old cars that are hoarded just get ruined anyway. They are in a sense being "junked" but more slowly
Besides, on any really popular collectible, the aftermarket is extremely active. One needn't ever worry about finding a part for a mustang or a camaro or a miata or a MINI or a BMW or a Benz or countless other potential or real collectibles.
#16 of 16 Re: Points For Collector Enthusiasts To Consider[Mr_Shiftright] (andre1969)
Apr 01, 2009 (12:40 pm)
"Now if the thing is already clapped out and knocking at death's door, I won't shed a tear. But I don't like the idea of cars that are still useable getting crushed."
I agree completely on this, and there will be many 8, 9 and ten year old, relatively low mileage cars that will be destroyed, along with the older, clapped out ones. Why? Mainly, to make jobs for UAW workers and to help the dealers, at the expense of the independent mechanics and auto supply stores that provide parts for and service older vehicles.
Also, the legislation that's being proposed will not permit the guy who drives a fuel efficient '90 Geo Metro to get a trade-in subsidy, but will reward those who bought gas guzzlers. And let's remember where this money will come from - you, me and the owner of that Metro.