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#1870 of 2056 Re: 2012 Hyundai Azera serious LaCrosse competition [ab348]
Nov 24, 2011 (5:37 am)
Really? And just what are the Hyundai's mysterious "set of issues"? Do you have evidence that Hyundai is paying automotive journalists to praise their products, or is that something you made up? Instead of being grumpy, you need to get out and drive the new Azera and Genny V6. Nothing is "several cuts" above them.
Granted Buick is improving, and I'm very happy about that. I wish I could justify buying American. However when I plunk down $35K, I have to get the best car for the money. IMHO, that's not a Buick right now.
#1871 of 2056 Re: 2012 Hyundai Azera serious LaCrosse competition [bobad]
Nov 24, 2011 (8:15 am)
I had an 09 Genesis and now a 12 LaCrosse PIII. The LaCrosse is the better car in most every way. The Genny handles better at the limits at the major expense of ride quality, and has a slight edge in interior materials. The Lacrosse ride blows away the Gen, the 3.6 is smoother than the 3.8 and equal to the 4.6. GMs HiPer struts practically eliminate torque steer and the car has a great balance of ride/handling not floaty but not harsh either.
#1872 of 2056 Re: 2012 Hyundai Azera serious LaCrosse competition [tjc78]
Nov 24, 2011 (8:28 am)
As a proud owner of a '10 Lacrosse CXS as well as 3 other Buicks, I'll STILL say Hundee is the official car of the underemployed!!!!
#1873 of 2056 Re: 2012 Hyundai Azera serious LaCrosse competition [tjc78]
Nov 24, 2011 (10:36 pm)
I agree the new Azera looks good. Hyundai hit the mark targeting Honda with their Elantra and Sonata. The problem is many Americans don't look to Honda as a benchmark any longer.
The 2012 Azera needs to come in under $30K to make a big impact. It looks good and has specs to attract the baby boomers that want refinement. Price will be key. At $35K the new Azera won't do a lot of damage. At $29K it could be a home run.
#1874 of 2056 Re: My thought on the 2010 LaCrosse CXS [joelippard3]
Nov 25, 2011 (5:43 am)
Congratulations on your new vehicle, joelippard3! I'm glad you love it so much, and I hope it serves you and your friends and family well!
All the best,
GM Customer Service
#1875 of 2056 Re: 2012 Hyundai Azera serious LaCrosse competition [tjc78]
Nov 25, 2011 (8:35 am)
Lacrosse CXS with Touring is HARSH on quite a few surfaces, especially if you opt for sport mode to take the sway out of the rear.
Much discussion, thinking is that the 19" Goodyear are responsible for much of it. I personally would agree with that, but since I have not driven any equipped the same without the Goodyear, I cannot testify to that or if something would be lost in the handling with different tires.
The hyper strut is claimed to be eliminating torque steer, but I'm not sure on that. I had a 96 Olds Aurora, with the Aurora/Northstar engine, and it had absolutely no torque steer. It's suspension was very different and because of the quality of ride I wish GM had continued it.
I do agree that the hyper strut is much better than without for handling. But I'm not sure of the reason for an item. That is if cornering, or turning even a little, from a dead stop it was easy to break the tires loose, squealing. Not exactly confidence building as to what might happen in other cornering situations, but it never broke loose other than from a dead stop or unless there was a little fresh snow. That and the Goodyears has been discussed at length, and it seems to be an absolute that you don't want those tires with any amount of snow.
#1876 of 2056 Re: My thought on the 2010 LaCrosse CXS [joelippard3]
Nov 25, 2011 (9:06 am)
kCongrats. hope all stays well. Can you give a bit more detail as to equipment? There were many changes, even mid-year. There were a number of complaints involving the Nav system and it's function involving 2010 models. Also changes in suspension. That is you may have gotten H-arm without 19" Goodyear or the electronic suspension control. Also it seems the side mirror puddle lamps were added late and then the SBZA a bit later.
You mention seating being better. What did the 4 cylinder have? Cloth or non-perforated leather? Comparing the perforated leather and cooled, I found them very uncomfortable for the distance compared to other vehicles in both leather and cloth. Even a several year old Jeep, high end, had superior seating for distance.
Does yours have the high end HK audio? I found CXL to be quieter and I contribute that to the quieter Michelin tire and because they had the low end audio which does not have speakers in the rear deck. Because of poor sound deadening material in the trunk and the lack of a speaker enclosure to isolate the trunk from the interior via the speaker, noise entered that way as well.
Also some noise likely because the seals at the front door edge were not making contact with the fender, as observed from outside the vehicle.
I am in total agreement regarding the articulating HID and the HUD. They make such a difference in driving safety that they should be added to almost all vehicles. It is something I include in my wish list from now on. I'm pretty sure you don't have SBZA, but that is something I really liked until it got messed up. When it was working as designed, it eliminated much of the time needed to thoroughly check surroundings. That extra time can lead to a serious rear-ending of vehicles that suddenly stop ahead of you.
Nov 26, 2011 (3:01 pm)
Mine is a late 2010. I havent' had any trouble with the NAV system, or any other components for that matter. I do have the Hyper-Strut Electronic suspension which is what I wanted, combined with those beautiful 19" wheels. I also have the puddle lamps but not the SBZA.
The 4cyl had the non perforated leather and they definetly were not as comfortable as the seats in my CXS. I also have the Harmon Kardon system and it's miles better than the standard.
I'm not sure those Goodyears are the best choice for a car of this caliber and I highly doubt that I'll replace them with the same. I tend to buy Continentals and will likely replace the Goodyears with their DWS tire when they are worn out. They have assured me they have balanced them as best as they can but they still are not 100% perfect, hopefully they'll wear in a bit if I don't rotate too frequently.
Nov 27, 2011 (4:40 am)
kGood to hear everything is working.
I once got a "Service Suspension System" on the DIC. I know the dealer replaced nothing. They said they could find nothing wrong and just reset it. In retrospect, I wonder if they just turned the system off.
You are so right about the audio system. The standard is like something that came from the 60's as the base radio.
I doubt the Goodyears will last long enough to wear the tread off. Note! They have full coverage till about 13000miles and then it drops drastically. I had two go bad in that time. And unfortunately they were not on the same axle. The first one around 9K and the first thing I noticed with the new tire is you could tell you had a new one and one with some use on the same axle. It seems that with these tires, the Goodyear anyway, perhaps sizing too, that they really should be handled like shocks or any other tire purchase. Always in pairs, whether one axle or two.
I had done some shopping and it seems the Continental and Michelin would both be wise choices. Note, I had tried to get rid of these Goodyear from day one. Less than 50 miles on rubber and two major tire dealers told me they give me for the tires, $50 and $0.
Not just on this vehicle, GM has been having major issues with Goodyear tires. Hard to keep balanced and abnormal wear patterns. The Chev dealer was trying to overcome some of it by recommending frequent rotations. Along with quality of tire, they were blaming low air for the cupping that was occuring and hence frequent rotation. And on air, it seems to be a known problem, that GM aluminum alloy wheels leak air. I found myself adding air as often as twice a month to maintain recommended pressure. That sucks, having to do that much maintenance for tires.
You'd wish you had the SBZA if you had experience with it. That is assuming you don't have malfunction issues with it. Then it is junk.
#1879 of 2056 10 Top Cars Old Folks Buy
Nov 27, 2011 (5:34 am)
Not sure if this article is an insult or a compliment but here goes.
TrueCar.com compiled a list of the top brands purchased by seniors in 2009 and 2010, by percentage of buyers.
Topping the list of brands were Buick, Lincoln and Cadillac.The survey shows that 58.9% of LaCrosse buyers were seniors.
Although it has been gaining buyers in all segments, Buick leads all brands in the percentage of senior buyers, with 57.5%. For the first seven months, Buick sales rose 27.2%, leading all GM brands, while the average age of the brand's buyers is falling. Read more at