Last post on Jun 30, 2013 at 8:40 AM
You are in the Buick LaCrosse
What is this discussion about?
Buick LaCrosse, Sedan
#1862 of 2056 Re: 2012 Hyundai Azera serious LaCrosse competition [bobad]
Nov 19, 2011 (2:33 pm)
Irrelevant? Don't be absurd. They're still Hyundais, for good and bad. The Genesis has hardly been the second coming the Hyundai cheerleaders claim it would be and I expect the Azera to be widely praised by the so-called automotive journalists but have its own set of issues in the real world.
One thing Hyundai does better than everyone else, without question, is the ability to get automotive websites and others to tout their products by whatever means possible. Perhaps the rumors that they pay cash are true.
The Buick remains in a class that is several cuts above Hyundai.
#1863 of 2056 Re: 19" to smaller tires [cooleydd]
Nov 21, 2011 (8:45 am)
I had the same questions concerns about the 19" wheels and tires but alas it would not be a good idea to move down to smaller tires. I spoke with my service manager and a GM engineer and they both said the same thing...don't do it.
Since the CXS with the Touring package and adaptive suspension was designed to work exclusively with the 19" wheels and tires any change to smaller tires would degrade ride and handling to unacceptable levels.
#1864 of 2056 Re: 19" to smaller tires [bwia]
Nov 21, 2011 (11:56 am)
I agree that there may be some concerns relating to tire size change. But I'm unsure that GM figured that much out.
According to build it site, Buick offered the H-arm suspension on all except the bottom one near the end of 2010's, maybe early 2011. I know because I was very interested in the special suspension.
It was listed for awhile that way on the top three models, maybe even standard. I assumed it was needed for the AWD setup.
Note, at that time it did not include 19" wheels or the full time monitoring of suspension system.
By the build it site, it totally disappeared as an option for awhile. Not listed with any level.
After a couple of months passed, it was back on the build it site, but only available on the CXS. This is the first I recall it being an option, that is part of an option package as well.
So, when I ordered I was aware it included the H-arm, 19" wheel, and full time adaptive suspension with sport mode.
But no one said anything about the horrible Goodyear tires being part of it.
With my experience, I can not think of any good reason to make them part of the package.
Except maybe you drive too fast all of the time. I noticed that at 100 the roughness went away and the noise was less noticeable because of increased other noises. Steering was very crisp at those speeds and faster.
Perhaps the Michelin would degrade a little at those speeds, but who really drives that fast all the time.
It would seem the advantages of the Michelin would be far greater than the Goodyear.
Either tire would benefit from a little fine tuning of that suspension system.
What I noticed on some surfaces was the poor planning of the articulation of the H-arm. A slight bump in the road would cause a rear tire to move in and out and induce sway on the rear of the vehicle. Likely the stiffness of the Goodyear and the low profile contributed to the degree of this bad handling. By going to sport mode, which stiffened suspension, it eliminated that sway in all but the worst cases. And that road was rough to the point that the stiffness made for a hard ride.
So, when the H-arm was on CXL FWD and CXL AWD and CXS with the 18" wheels, the higher profile likely made that action less objectionable, allowing more give to sidewall.
In all, I'd say GM could have designed better. Initially to chose better pivot points to reduce the in and out action of the wheel. Add load leveling so no matter your load, the rear behaved the same way. Also by not allowing those big height changes on the rear, you don't effect the steering angles on the front. Nor headlight aiming.
It is almost as if they chose to make a worse vehicle.
#1865 of 2056 Re: Acceleration delay [e_net_rider]
Nov 21, 2011 (3:17 pm)
I have had the dealer look at the delay twice and they could not reproduce. Contacted GM Customer Service. The outcome of that contact was "If the dealer can not reproduce - there is nothing we can do". So I live with the shifting delay and compensate in the way I drive.
#1866 of 2056 Hey you mechanics out there!
Nov 21, 2011 (3:27 pm)
I have a 2010 Lacrosse (6 cyl) and a Chev Cobalt and a Pontiac Vibe. I need to make these so they do not run and want to do so without disconnecting the batteries. Any easy way to do this or any gadget that I could add. Have a problem child that will steal them if she finds a key (we try to hide).
Suggestions please - something easy to do but she would never know.
#1867 of 2056 Re: Hey you mechanics out there! [cooleydd]
Nov 21, 2011 (4:18 pm)
Find out which fuse is the fuel pump and pull it out.
#1868 of 2056 My thought on the 2010 LaCrosse CXS
Nov 23, 2011 (5:51 pm)
I just got a 2010 White Diamond LaCrosse CXS with 16k on it about a month ago, and I am absolutely in love. Mine is completely loaded including HID & HUD. I recently had the chance to drive a CXL 4cyl while mine was in to have the tires re-balanced. I must say there is quite a difference in those two cars. I don't think I'd pay good money for the lesser model. I don't mean this snobbishly but I kind of wish they had not produced those lesser versions thus cheapening the model line with them.
The seats were no where near as comfortable as the perforated ones in the CXS also, the ride was not as soft or quiet either, not to mention the lack of power. It felt like a completely different car, more like a Camry. Did I mention that I'm in love with this car!
#1869 of 2056 Re: My thought on the 2010 LaCrosse CXS [joelippard3]
Nov 24, 2011 (4:18 am)
Welcome and congrats on purchasing your CXS. And welcome to the growing number of satisfied LaCrosse owners. For a moment there I thought you quoted a purchase price of $16k, which would have been be a phenomenal deal, but on further review it was the odometer reading. Nonetheless, enjoy your LaCrosse and Happy Thanksgiving.
#1870 of 2056 Re: 2012 Hyundai Azera serious LaCrosse competition [ab348]
Nov 24, 2011 (5:37 am)
Really? And just what are the Hyundai's mysterious "set of issues"? Do you have evidence that Hyundai is paying automotive journalists to praise their products, or is that something you made up? Instead of being grumpy, you need to get out and drive the new Azera and Genny V6. Nothing is "several cuts" above them.
Granted Buick is improving, and I'm very happy about that. I wish I could justify buying American. However when I plunk down $35K, I have to get the best car for the money. IMHO, that's not a Buick right now.
#1871 of 2056 Re: 2012 Hyundai Azera serious LaCrosse competition [bobad]
Nov 24, 2011 (8:15 am)
I had an 09 Genesis and now a 12 LaCrosse PIII. The LaCrosse is the better car in most every way. The Genny handles better at the limits at the major expense of ride quality, and has a slight edge in interior materials. The Lacrosse ride blows away the Gen, the 3.6 is smoother than the 3.8 and equal to the 4.6. GMs HiPer struts practically eliminate torque steer and the car has a great balance of ride/handling not floaty but not harsh either.