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We thought we picked out an SUV....but we are having doubts

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Re: We thought we picked out an SUV....but we are having doubts [buzzy8] by hdfatboy
Jan 13, 2009 (6:44 am)
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Replying to: buzzy8 (Jan 13, 2009 5:53 am)

"The line item (MSPR) cost on the XM radio in the window was $449.00 for the one we saw that had it in it. So I would think that having them add it on for $449 if it didn't have it in it would be okay for the labor and time it would take us to do it. Is it the same system if they do it or the one you did aftermarket? If it the same, I would probably think having them do it is okay."
 
Buzzy, if the xm tuner is already in a vehicle on the lot at the $449 MSRP its probably worth it. However if you find the vehicle you want and decide to add the xm tuner at a later time, I thought it was worth letting you know that most dealers charge $600-800 to add XM later. I didn't add xm when I purchased the vehicle because XM and Sirius were going through a corporate merger and I didn't know what changes might happen to the tuners. In the end, it was easy enough to add however for $449 its worth having the dealer handle it.
 
Regarding the seating in the Platinum versus the Ltd, ultimately only you and your family can make the decision that best meets your needs. All depends on you priorities and budget. For my family, the heated second row seats, a/c front seats, TEMS adjustable suspension, 2 position memory driver seat and the Red Rock leather interior easily outweighed the loss of the 2nd row bench seat. Since you can only get these options in the Platinum, then its a relatively easy decision to make. If the options above are less important than the 2nd row bench, then its best to save the money and get a fully loaded LTD which will include every option that's in the Plat other than those noted (plus laser cruise is not available in the LTD if that option was of interest).
 
Hopefully that helps in your decision-making.
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by buzzy8
Jan 13, 2009 (7:01 am)
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hdfatboy,
 
Everything you have answered has helped us with our decision making.....wouldn't have gotton this far without you!!
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Re: We thought we picked out an SUV....but we are having doubts [hdfatboy] by buzzy8
Jan 13, 2009 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: hdfatboy (Jan 13, 2009 6:44 am)

For my family, the heated second row seats, a/c front seats, TEMS adjustable suspension, 2 position memory driver seat and the Red Rock leather interior easily outweighed the loss of the 2nd row bench seat
 
another question that came to mind...I see that rear height control suspension is listed as a option that can be added...is that the same as TEMS? and I know you mentioned that the laser cruise is not available on the LTD but also notice it is listed as a option.. do you know if it is uninstallable in the LTD even though it is listed as an option?Thanks as always
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Re: We thought we picked out an SUV....but we are having doubts [buzzy8] by buzzy8
Jan 14, 2009 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: buzzy8 (Jan 13, 2009 9:27 am)

oops, I meant to say installable in the LTD, not unistallable....
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Re: We thought we picked out an SUV....but we are having doubts [buzzy8] by mikey13170
Jan 14, 2009 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: buzzy8 (Jan 13, 2009 5:53 am)

Guys...not to counteract anyone, but I ran into many dealers willing to install the Toyota XM receiver for $500. It varied a little between $450 and $550. In the end I purchased the unit myself from Toyota for $349 and asked for the installation instructions (TIS) from the service department. I then took it to one of my trusted audio shops and they quoted me $75 to put it in......well worth the savings in my frustration and time to do the work myself. My local dealer quoted me 2.5 hours of install time at $95 and hour, so that's why I went with an independent shop.
 
Another thing I have mentioned previously was that I went with the captains chairs and purchased the center console for second row........since this is an after thought the truck did not come from factory ready for console to be installed......this is what I have run into on it (be wary if you decide to go this route)
First....there are no mounting bosses under the carpet to screw the console into, so it will have to be drilled custom.
 
Second....the captains seats in LTD have arm rests where the console is located meaning that you either leave the console out or have the console installed and you remove the armrests to accommodate the fit.
 
I'm going to have the armrests removed and see how it looks. I will have to make sure there is a plug to cover the hole from the armrest bolt and will post some pics after I get it done.
 
I just didn't figure on this amount of extra work after the fact and I'm getting frustrated.
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Re: We thought we picked out an SUV....but we are having doubts [buzzy8] by hdfatboy
Jan 15, 2009 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: buzzy8 (Jan 13, 2009 9:27 am)

"I see that rear height control suspension is listed as a option that can be added...is that the same as TEMS? and I know you mentioned that the laser cruise is not available on the LTD but also notice it is listed as a option.. do you know if it is uninstallable in the LTD even though it is listed as an option?"
 
The rear suspension height control and TEMS adjustable suspension are 2 separate things. The rear height control is optional on the LTD and standard on the platinum. This feature can raise the rear of the vehicle upto 3/4 inch from normal or lower it down 3/4in from normal. However the vehicle will automatically return to normal height as soon as the vehicle exceeds 18mph. I see this feature as having limited use unless you are towing a trailer.
 
If you tow, then you can align the tow ball of the Sequoia to a trailer by observing it in the rear view camera on the Nav unit. As you approach the trailer hitch, you can lower the rear of the vehicle and align the ball with the trailer receiver and then raise the rear of the vehicle to raise the trailer ball into the trailer receiver. Quite trick and if you have done alot of trailer in the past, you'll really understand how great a feature this is. Once you drive away, the vehicle will automatically put the ride height back to normal. I'm not sure of other circumstances when the manual ride height adjustment would be helpful.
 
TEMS adjustable suspension is an entirely different feature and is exclusive to the Platinum and cannot be added to the LTD. This suspension uses entirely different shocks and electronic sensors to adjust the comfort of the suspension. I wasn't sure at first if a 6000lb suv would really benefit from this feature however I'm really glad I have it.
 
Essentially this feature provides for the suspension to have 3 Setting. "Comfort" "Normal" & " Sport". I find I much prefer the firmer suspension of Sport for local roads where there are more curves and I prefer the comfort of Normal for long highway trips. I find that the Comfort setting is to "soft" of a ride for my taste.
 
I've read where othere's that have tried to compare the non-TEMS to the TEMS suspension found the LTD/SR5 to have the factory suspension set somewhere between Comfort and Normal. Based on that, I am particularly glad I have the TEMS since the majority of my driving is in Sport mode.
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Re: We thought we picked out an SUV....but we are having doubts [mikey13170] by hdfatboy
Jan 15, 2009 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: mikey13170 (Jan 14, 2009 9:56 am)

"Another thing I have mentioned previously was that I went with the captains chairs and purchased the center console for second row........since this is an after thought the truck did not come from factory ready for console to be installed......this is what I have run into on it (be wary if you decide to go this route)
First....there are no mounting bosses under the carpet to screw the console into, so it will have to be drilled custom."

 
Are you trying to add an aftermarket console to the second row of your LTD or the console from the Platinum?
 
I've not heard of anyone that was able to install the Platinum 2nd row console into the LTD. In addition to the missing brackets, have you decided what you're going to do with the 2 holes you're going to have in the front of the console? These holes represent where the switches are installed in the console from the factory to adjust the heat for the Platinum 2nd row Captain Chairs.
 
My guess is that these "switch holes" are cut at the factory, since the switches are wired with the seats at the factory. Since there are no heated 2nd row seats in the LTD, I'm unsure how the switch holes in the console will be handled...maybe dummy switches or some type of plug/cover for the hole?
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Re: We thought we picked out an SUV....but we are having doubts [hdfatboy] by buzzy8
Jan 16, 2009 (5:40 am)
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Replying to: hdfatboy (Jan 15, 2009 4:37 pm)

Hey HDfatboy....can you email me your email address????.....we talked to the dealer yesterday about a price, wanted to get your feedback but don't want to post it beforehand......mine is solcat0aol.com......
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Price for 2007 new Expedition EL!! Any thoughts? by mae7
Jan 17, 2009 (4:09 pm)
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Does anyone know how much I should expect to pay for a new 2007 Expedition EL that neer got sold?? I was asking about a 2008, and the dealer said they'd discount me on the 2007 if I'd take it... Doesn't seem like there's a way to figure that out on Kelley Blue Book as the vehicles are used. I put 2007 in to the Kelley Blue Book and random 1000 miles just to see what I'd get, but apparently that implies it's used, and it came up with 20.5K approx. They wanted to charge me 28K, stating since they didn't have rebates, they were giving a sale price of 7000 less than msrp (I think). THANKS!

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