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Are you happy you didn't sell your SUV?

122 messages,  Last post on Apr 15, 2009 at 5:57 AM

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Re: Shouldn't You Ask... [larsb] by gagrice
Jan 16, 2009 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 16, 2009 6:23 am)

If you want a small car with a high clearance, buy a Subaru PZEV Outback.
 
I actually like the looks of that vehicle. However it only gets 17 MPG in the city. To give up the comfort and room of the Sequoia for 2 MPG makes very little sense. When they bring in the diesel Outback I will take another look if I have not bought my final vehicle by then. I just do not like the Escape and you already know they are horribly over priced. I don't like getting screwed buying a vehicle.
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Re: Shouldn't You Ask... (larsb) [hpmctorque] by gagrice
Jan 16, 2009 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 16, 2009 7:12 am)

So far no one has built a large vehicle with hybrid that is worth looking at. I don't see 3-4 MPG improvement worth $10k or more. That is strictly for eco weinies wanting people to believe they are environmentally astute.
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Re: Shouldn't You Ask... [gagrice] by nippononly
Jan 16, 2009 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 16, 2009 8:40 am)

However it only gets 17 MPG in the city
 
Actually, it's 20. 18 for the turbo.
 
http://www.subaru.com/
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Re: Shouldn't You Ask... [nippononly] by gagrice
Jan 16, 2009 (9:43 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 16, 2009 8:43 am)

My only interest was in the Outback wagon with the 6 cylinder. It requires Premium which is another black mark against it. Cannot imagine a vehicle that big and heavy with a screaming 4 cylinder. Not my idea of a pleasant cruise down the highway listening to Rachmaninov. 2009 Outback has a worse pollution score than my 07 Sequoia. I see nothing convincing me to give up my SUV. That outback getting 40 MPG out on the highway is possible. The race is on and I am getting more in the mood to buy a diesel SUV. Now just waiting till Spring when VW brings a diesel SUV to our shores.
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Re: Shouldn't You Ask... [gagrice] by steve_ HOST
Jan 16, 2009 (10:05 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 16, 2009 9:43 am)

Heh, I don't feel like I'm in all that big and heavy of a vehicle when I'm cruising around in my Outback with all the horse trailer towing rigs around here.
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Re: Shouldn't You Ask... [larsb] by boaz47
Jan 16, 2009 (1:53 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 16, 2009 6:23 am)

well I believe the Forester would be a better choice even though it is only 10 inches shorter than a 4runner. But you have obviously never tried to get the parts to lift a IFS vehicle. In all the years I have been exploring old ghost towns and silver mines in the So Cal high and low desert I can't ever remember seeing a outback on the roads we travel. some of them are class three jeep trails I admit but not all. Then again how easy would it be to get a low range in an outback? I don't think the recommend towing with one either. And the outback is about the same size as a Camry. No longer considered a small car. A camry looks like a Crown Vic next to my old Pontiac 4 banger. By the way an outback is only .2 inches shorter than a 4Runner.
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Re: Hybrid Taxis unsafe [gagrice] by oldfarmer50
Jan 16, 2009 (4:08 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 15, 2009 6:06 pm)

"...It surprises me that NYC cab drivers can get up enough speed to roll one..."
 
You've got to be kidding, right? Those guys are insane. Driving through Manhattan is like a drag-race combined with a demo-derby.
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I'm going to chime in if I may. by tankbeans
Jan 16, 2009 (6:23 pm)
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Hello all.
 
First let me say that I don't care what anybody drives or how much they choose to spend on it. It isn't my business. I don't hate SUVs, I don't like SUVs. I don't need one so I don't care. One thing that bothers me is when I am at an intersection, no semiphore, and I'm trying to turn and a person in an SUV decides they can't see and they inch forward so I have to inch forward more to see around them, and they keep inching like they need the extra space to see oncoming traffic. Not meaning this as an attack to anyone just an observation. I don't like being behind them on the freeway because again I can't see, so I pass them and hope not to offend them.
 
Let it be known that a couple of years ago, I've been driving less than 5, I was considering a Blazer to replace my Aerostar. My Aerostar was porcine and it was overly thirsty. 10 mpg only, I thought the Blazer might be good for 20mpg, but I never got it so I can't say. I instead got a 91 LeSabre with the 3.8 and loved it.
 
Which leads me to something else. Somebody inquired about insurance for teens. I'm 20 and I've had my license since I turned 16. I had to pay me own insurance and that was $195 for the van per month with a crappy company. Then when I got my LeSabre it went to $105 per month with AmFam. After my LeSabre I got a 95 Accord, which needed full coverage as I was making payments and that was $145 per month. Now I have an 03, full coverage, and before my mom and I changed our policy cost $160 per month, full coverage $500 deductibles.
 
If I'm confusing I apologize, but I wanted to chime in.
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Re: I'm going to chime in if I may. [tankbeans] by explorerx4
Jan 16, 2009 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: tankbeans (Jan 16, 2009 6:23 pm)

can you see anything when you are driving behind a minivan?
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Re: I'm going to chime in if I may. [explorerx4] by tankbeans
Jan 16, 2009 (6:43 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 16, 2009 6:32 pm)

No. I may have been too general about SUVs. I don't like being behind big vehicles, but I'm not going to condemn them or buy one myself for the sole purpose of being able to see around as I wouldn't need it for any other reason. I grew up with the attitude don't buy more than you need.
 
That being said if I was ever faced with the decision mini-van or SUV as my only options the SUV would win hands down. After driving a van I don't want to do it again. They're ugly, mostly bought by families with one child, another observation, and they're difficult to feed. SUVs are thirsty too, but at least they aren't uglier than sin, in my opinion. I kind of like Exploders myself, but don't need one so don't care.

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