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Sedans Acura TL 2009 Acura TL vs Hyundai Genesis
31 messages, Last post on May 30, 2009 at 8:06 AM
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I come from owning 5 of the 04-08 Acura TL. And was planning on buying an 09 until I saw it. I have loved the look of the Genesis since I first saw the ads last year. I have drvien the 09 TL on several test drives as well as the Genesis 3.8 with Nav. Interestingly enough I beleive these are both headed for same market, Acura is pushing TL toward bigger luxury segment. Acura refinement is right up there with Lexus. Acura technology is second to none, thei Nav is the best in the business and their voice command interaction is also the best. That being said I do not like the 09 TL styling, it does nto flow, it looks liek the car was designed in 3 distinct sections with no continuity. The Genesis is a great first attempt by hyundai at a luxury car. Some thinngs I noticed were that te ride coudl be a bit more behaved, I wish they offered maybe a Sport model with a better suspensiona nd steering, not to be a real sports drive, but something better than the slightly loose feeling ride the Genesis has. The inteiros is real nice, although the exposed slanted nav will suffer glare frequently. The hi-res nav is excellent again only edged out by Acura. The Genesis voice commands are good, but the lag time for processing each prompt seems slow for a HD based system. I guess the processing power is lacking. The interior seating again begs for a sport model with better more supportive seats. They shoudl mimic Infinit and have a Sport model that has tighter steering, slightly better tighter suspension and more supportive seats and maybe a slightly better wheel look. The 09 TL vs. 3.8 Genesis is a tought one, the Genesis styling is very MB/Lexus like while the TL is well just odd. The thing hurting the Genesis will be well, its a Hyundai! Don;t get me wrong my family has 3 Hyundais' all rock solid, but if I spend $40K I want to be in a slitghly more upscale dealership and service department, not sitting next to the Elantra guy getting his beater fixed. I know they can;t start a new brand and be successful, but they shodul have made some sort of qualification for a dealership to carry them. Also I find the dealers are very arrogant with the Genesis. They feel they have a winner on their hands and are acting like MB or Lexus used to, being cocky and wanting MSRP for their car. Best deal I have seen is $1K over invoice, that is too much in today's beaten and crushed car market. I should be able to get it at invoice or invoice +$500.Also note that here in ATL all dealers charge $600 (yes $600) DOC fee, so that is more profit for them.
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Replying to: keithl (Jan 11, 2009 8:09 pm) |
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Replying to: skgolfer (Jan 02, 2009 12:51 pm)
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Replying to: cebteb (Apr 18, 2009 5:48 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Apr 26, 2009 4:41 pm) Here in the front range in Colorado, there are lots of grades to drive w/o even venturing into the mountains, so RWD cars are basically summer cars unless you want to use chains (bad idea) or studded snow tires (not legal many places and really lousy to ride on). FWD with all season tires is about the minimum for winter driving here.
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Replying to: cebteb (Apr 27, 2009 11:17 am) Equipping FWD with winter tires should be adequate for most winter driving situations, but your driving needs may indeed require AWD.
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Replying to: cebteb (Apr 27, 2009 11:17 am) Traction and stability control has pretty much fixed those problems. The advantage of FWD cars is that many of them have a 60/40 weight distribution that gives more traction to the drive wheels. If you put 1000 lbs in the trunk of a 2 ton RWD drive car, you can achieve the equivalent 40/60 ratio (not that I would recommend doing that). Of course a 60/40 weight distribution typically induces horrible understeer that degrades cornering ability, but is safer for poor drivers.
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 04, 2009 2:14 pm) My first bad experience with a RWD here was in 1980 when I ended up doing a 360 on the transition from I225 to I70 during morning rush hour. God was with me as no one hit me. Had an '85 RWD Nissan 300ZX Turbo in winter driving from '85 through '91 with snow tires and sometime light chains. Chains damaged my wheel wells. Had to abandon my car during a snow storm on a local road. No RWD for me here except maybe as a summer car only. Final note, our local newspaper's auto column guy (been in the car business since the 50s) was testing a high priced, European, luxury sedan a couple of years ago in the winter and ripped them in his review because they couldn't get the car out of his driveway due to the slick surface. He ended up getting a different brand vehicle to test that week for his Saturday Drive column.
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