Last post on May 30, 2009 at 7:06 AM
You are in the Acura TL
What is this discussion about?
Acura TL, Hyundai Genesis, Sedan
#22 of 31 Re: Get back to Genesis vs. TL [carolinabob]
May 10, 2009 (5:15 pm)
I think I was trying to communicate that unless you live in the Sun Belt, the Genesis and TL aren't directly comparable. The TL in either FWD or AWD is a better choice for an everyday car if you live in an area with significant winter driving issues.
If you live in a warm weather climate, then other factors come into play. Consumer Reports likes the Genesis better than the TL, but notes that Acura has a much better reliability record than Hyundai. Read the CR issue (last November I think) where both cars were tested along with the road tests here on Edmonds.
CR has some issues with the TL that are valid (small trunk), could be an issue to some (little steering feel w/ electronic steering; however, could this type of steering be the norm in a few years / typical Honda/Acura road noise), and aren't supported by looking at the car yourself (back seat room and comfort; I thought is was a big upgrade over the prior TL, but CR thought it wasn't as good).
CR's main issue with the Genesis is ride quality, calling it unsettled, whatever that means. Guess you need to test drive it to see whether it is an issue for you. It can be had with a lot more power than the TL, but both the basic engine and large engine get poorer mileage than the TL. It is roomier than the TL if you think the TL is too small. Roominess can be objective and subjective. I think the 2009 TL is a lot roomier than the earlier versions and a lot roomier than either the Infinity G37 or Cadillac CTS, but others might disagree. Go sit in a TL and a Genesis and decide for yourself if roominess is a factor.
Finally, if winter driving, gas mileage, reliability, and maybe ride aren't factors to you, then I think you can get a lot more car for the money with the Genesis.
#23 of 31 Re: 2009 Acura TL vs Hyundai Genesis [hpmctorque]
May 12, 2009 (12:44 pm)
How has your overall experience been with the 300M? In '99 my wife and I debated between a 300M and a TL, and decided on the TL. We've never regretted our decision, but the 300M had some attributes over the TL, such as interior roominess and a large trunk. I rented a 300M once, and it drove well.
Well, it has been a 10 year love/hate relationship with the 300M. On the love side is still the exterior and interior look of the prior generation 300M. We still get looks in a parking lot when it is shined up. Also love the interior appointments and design and the huge trunk. Very comfortable and roomy. Power is more than adequate and the tranny is very smooth shifting for only a 4-speed automatic. It handles very nicely as well on a winding road at speed.
On the hate side is the ride. Way too firm. My 2003 Olds Bravada SUV rides much smoother and it's a truck (it does have air springs in the rear though). Also, road noise is very prominent. As I understand it though, these issues were addressed and improved on in later years, so a 2002 or so 300M should ride smoother and be quieter inside.
Mechanical faults started with the stock BadYear tires. Most were defective and no amount of the most sophisticated balancing could keep them from wobbling. We put some Yoko's on it and that finally solved the tire problem at about 20K miles. Then there is the strut mounts. We are on our third set in front, second in back (under 50K miles). They just break and crumble causing a serious ride impairment. We have a good shop for the third set and they are using high quality after market parts, so I think this is finally fixed. Then the brake rotors. After warping the originals and their Mopar replacements, we went with some Brembo high end rotors last year and solved that problem.
So you can see why I say love/hate. But, even if everything with the tires and struts is as good as it gets, the ride is still way too firm and the cabin has way too much road noise.
#24 of 31 Re: 2009 Acura TL vs Hyundai Genesis [cebteb]
May 12, 2009 (5:40 pm)
Thanks for your response to my questions.
I didn't notice the excessive road noise in the one I rented. Nor did my wife and I find the ride objectionable, but the one we rented for a couple of days of mixed driving was an '03 or '04. My then the insulation and ride may have been refined.
#25 of 31 the tl not in the genesis league
May 21, 2009 (11:34 am)
Compare the TL with the lexus ES, cadillac mkz and other fwd cars. The genesis is made on a more expensive rwd architechture. I think people are trying to pick to find a fault on the genesis which is its stiff suspension system that gives it some sporty characteristics. If you think the genesis suspension/ride is unsettling try a bmw 5 series through a pothole
I really like the new TL when i test drove it but it was just not a rwd car. To those that care it is a big difference
#26 of 31 Re: the tl not in the genesis league [choe13]
May 25, 2009 (10:32 pm)
Fyi, there's a Cadillac CTS and STS, but no MKZ. However, there's a Lincoln MKZ.
#27 of 31 Re: the tl not in the genesis league [hpmctorque]
May 27, 2009 (6:12 pm)
More reasons why luxury models, espeically, should stop using alpha/alpha-numeric, especially random letter/number combination. How hard is it to come up with a model name, like the Genesis? The TL is a great car as well, but what is a TL?
#28 of 31 Re: the tl not in the genesis league [joe97]
May 28, 2009 (6:34 am)
#29 of 31 Re: the tl not in the genesis league [billyperks2]
May 28, 2009 (8:27 am)
Actually, it is Touring Luxury, but you can call it total luxury if you'd like.
#30 of 31 Re: the tl not in the genesis league [pat]
May 29, 2009 (7:02 pm)
Wrong, wrong, wrong! Legend has it that it was named after Toulouse-Lautrec, although some Vigor(ously) deny this, calling it (in)Acura(te).
#31 of 31 Re: the tl not in the genesis league [hpmctorque]
May 30, 2009 (7:06 am)