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2009 Acura TL vs Hyundai Genesis

31 messages,  Last post on May 30, 2009 at 7:06 AM

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Re: 2009 Acura TL vs Hyundai Genesis [skgolfer] by cviz821
Jan 05, 2009 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: skgolfer (Jan 02, 2009 11:51 am)

I test drove the 2008 TL and sat in the 2009 TL. The Genesis by far is a larger car with more legroom front and rear. I did not like how clutered that TL steering wheel and dash were. The Genesis was my choice and I'm extremely happy about the decision.
 
The Genesis was much quieter inside than the TL. While that TL handled well I was extremely disappointed with the ride.
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by keithl
Jan 11, 2009 (7:09 pm)
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I come from owning 5 of the 04-08 Acura TL. And was planning on buying an 09 until I saw it. I have loved the look of the Genesis since I first saw the ads last year. I have drvien the 09 TL on several test drives as well as the Genesis 3.8 with Nav. Interestingly enough I beleive these are both headed for same market, Acura is pushing TL toward bigger luxury segment. Acura refinement is right up there with Lexus. Acura technology is second to none, thei Nav is the best in the business and their voice command interaction is also the best. That being said I do not like the 09 TL styling, it does nto flow, it looks liek the car was designed in 3 distinct sections with no continuity. The Genesis is a great first attempt by hyundai at a luxury car. Some thinngs I noticed were that te ride coudl be a bit more behaved, I wish they offered maybe a Sport model with a better suspensiona nd steering, not to be a real sports drive, but something better than the slightly loose feeling ride the Genesis has. The inteiros is real nice, although the exposed slanted nav will suffer glare frequently. The hi-res nav is excellent again only edged out by Acura. The Genesis voice commands are good, but the lag time for processing each prompt seems slow for a HD based system. I guess the processing power is lacking. The interior seating again begs for a sport model with better more supportive seats. They shoudl mimic Infinit and have a Sport model that has tighter steering, slightly better tighter suspension and more supportive seats and maybe a slightly better wheel look. The 09 TL vs. 3.8 Genesis is a tought one, the Genesis styling is very MB/Lexus like while the TL is well just odd. The thing hurting the Genesis will be well, its a Hyundai! Don;t get me wrong my family has 3 Hyundais' all rock solid, but if I spend $40K I want to be in a slitghly more upscale dealership and service department, not sitting next to the Elantra guy getting his beater fixed. I know they can;t start a new brand and be successful, but they shodul have made some sort of qualification for a dealership to carry them. Also I find the dealers are very arrogant with the Genesis. They feel they have a winner on their hands and are acting like MB or Lexus used to, being cocky and wanting MSRP for their car. Best deal I have seen is $1K over invoice, that is too much in today's beaten and crushed car market. I should be able to get it at invoice or invoice +$500.Also note that here in ATL all dealers charge $600 (yes $600) DOC fee, so that is more profit for them.
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Re: [keithl] by carolinabob
Apr 17, 2009 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: keithl (Jan 11, 2009 7:09 pm)

I have had salespeople offer a V-6 with tech for 3,000-5,000 off MSRP in the SC and GA areas. This was in phone conversations based on e-mails to them. Try Augusta.
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Re: 2009 Acura TL vs Hyundai Genesis [skgolfer] by cebteb
Apr 18, 2009 (4:48 pm)
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Replying to: skgolfer (Jan 02, 2009 11:51 am)

Might depend on where you live. If you live where there is winter ice and snow like I do (metro-Denver), and you want to drive this car in that weather, then you wouldn't even consider a rear wheel drive car like the Hyundai Genesis. If they put it in AWD, then it would be a competitor, otherwise, it is a warm weather car. I looked at the Hyundai Azera (FWD), but while it meets the near luxury standard, its performance pales next to the TL.
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Re: 2009 Acura TL vs Hyundai Genesis [cebteb] by hpmctorque
Apr 26, 2009 (3:41 pm)
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Replying to: cebteb (Apr 18, 2009 4:48 pm)

Wouldn't snow tires go a long way toward compensating for RWD vs. FWD? Of course, AWD would be best in winter weather conditions, and FWD with snow tires would be second best to AWD with all seasons.
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Re: 2009 Acura TL vs Hyundai Genesis [hpmctorque] by cebteb
Apr 27, 2009 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Apr 26, 2009 3:41 pm)

If you're in the flatlands in heavy snow, snow tires on a RWD car will make it usable in winter. Of course the noise and rougher ride of snow tires on dry pavement is a bother. But, even with snow tires, RWD cars will fishtail pulling away from a stop and going around corners or sharp turns. If you have any grades to climb in your area, RWD, even with snow tires, will really struggle to get you up the grade and God forbid traffic stops you on the grade and you have to start again.
 
Here in the front range in Colorado, there are lots of grades to drive w/o even venturing into the mountains, so RWD cars are basically summer cars unless you want to use chains (bad idea) or studded snow tires (not legal many places and really lousy to ride on). FWD with all season tires is about the minimum for winter driving here.
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Re: 2009 Acura TL vs Hyundai Genesis [cebteb] by hpmctorque
May 04, 2009 (1:14 pm)
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Replying to: cebteb (Apr 27, 2009 10:17 am)

Going up grades RWD gains relative to FWD because the weight shifts to the rear. This happens with both configurations, of course, but the upshot is that additional weight shifts to the drive wheels with RWD, but weight shifts off the drive wheels with FWD. FWD may still retain an advantage over RWD, going uphill, but the advantage is diminished. I imagine at some degree of incline, depending on the wight distribution of the cars being compared and other factors, FWD loses its traction advantage over RWD. In fact, on a fairly steep incline, RWD may actually have better traction than FWD. It's possible, though, that at the degree of incline required for this to happen neither RWD nor FWD can climb the grade.
 
Equipping FWD with winter tires should be adequate for most winter driving situations, but your driving needs may indeed require AWD.

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