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Hyundai Elantra, Brakes
#13 of 36 Re: WARNING TO ALL 2006 and Newer Hyundai Owners [Bad08Sonata]
Dec 31, 2008 (10:45 am)
I got "500" errors on each of the links you posted.
#15 of 36 Re: WARNING TO ALL 2006 and Newer Hyundai Owners [Bad08Sonata]
Dec 31, 2008 (4:45 pm)
Thanks, I was able to view these links w/o signing in (although I do have an account).
But the procedures you posted mention nothing about requiring the use of a push/pull gauge when servicing the parking brake. So I am puzzled why you seem upset that at least some Hyundai dealers (such as the one you took your Sonata to for service) don't have one.
#16 of 36 Re: WARNING TO ALL 2006 and Newer Hyundai Owners [Bad08Sonata]
Dec 31, 2008 (5:53 pm)
Look at # 10 of the PARKING BRAKE SHOE (DISC BRAKE TYPE) Installation
look at # 3 of the Parking Brake Lever Stroke Adjustment
between the yellow-orange lines
Parking brake lever stroke :
7 clicks (Pull the lever with 20kg)
BIG NOTE IN GREEN under it :
After repairing the parking brake shoe, adjust the brake shoe clearance, and then adjust the parking brake lever stroke. (Refer to "Parking brake shoe installation")
and then the picture under this NOTE
Pull up with 196 N (20kg, 44lbs) force, within 38MM of the top ot the lever not to include the push button.
I'm off to enjoy the new years celebration, I hope you have a great one too.
#17 of 36 Re: WARNING TO ALL 2006 and Newer Hyundai Owners [Bad08Sonata]
Dec 31, 2008 (6:31 pm)
I saw those notes. I did not see anything specific about using a push/pull gauge in this procedure, e.g. "WARNING: be sure to use a push/pull gauge to ensure you are applying exactly 196N/20 kg/44 lbs. of force. Failure to do so will result in an improperly adjusted parking brake." If it were important to use such a tool in the procedure, shouldn't it say so? I've seen other parking brake adjustment procedures for other cars e.g. Miata specifically mention a tool, e.g. spring scale.
Maybe the culprit here is the folks who write Hyundai's repair manuals??
Have a good celebration. I am going to stay off the icy roads and leave them to the other celebrants.
#18 of 36 Re: WARNING TO ALL 2006 and Newer Hyundai Owners [backy]
Jan 01, 2009 (12:54 pm)
I think many repair procedures rely on service techs knowing how to perform and understand general service procedures. I also believe, torque procedures and measurements, making thickness and clearance measurements, and performing pull / push measurements would fall into that category... Don't you?
Does someone else other that Hyundai write their Official Service/Repair manuals or maintain the Hyundai Motor America Service Web-page?
Whoever wrote the manual went to a lot of trouble to identify a certain pull force requirement, (put it in 3 different types of measurement force based on scale 196N/20 kg/44 lbs) identified a certain area position on the lever itself (within 38MM of the top of the lever not to include the push button) and how far the lever is to move from the non-set position (7 clicks).
If they did not want their techs to follow this ...I wonder why they go to so much trouble to include these measurements and a picture too in their manual?
You would think a Hyundai Field Engineer with a Hyundai Motor Representative and a Platinum Service Technician (all working together, on-site) would be able to breeze through these steps... THAT IS, IF THEY FOLLOW THE MANUAL AND HAD THE TOOLS ON HAND... RIGHT?
I'm in agreement with you, the manual could be a little more detailed, but this should not be used as an excuse on anyone's part, neither should skipping the procedures because they did not have the tool on hand.
I hope you have a spectacular 2009.
#19 of 36 Re: WARNING TO ALL 2006 and Newer Hyundai Owners [Bad08Sonata]
Jan 01, 2009 (2:37 pm)
The 196N/20 kg/44 lbs. seems to be a standard or at least typical spec for cars with pull-handle parking brakes like on most Hyundais. So I am kind of curious what could be the negative impact of a service tech simply pulling up on the brake lever with reasonable force, up to 7 clicks, and if the failure to use a push/pull gauge at that step is in fact the "weak link" in the procedure, as it appears you believe it to be, or not.
Anyway, I have to take my Elantra in for an oil change and a couple of other things in the next month or so... one of those things is a parking brake adjustment, as it takes too many clicks to set now compared to when new 5 years ago. So I will be sure to ask the dealer's service tech if they employ a push/pull gauge in their adjustment procedure and let you all know what I find out.
#20 of 36 Re: WARNING TO ALL 2006 and Newer Hyundai Owners [backy]
Jan 01, 2009 (5:53 pm)
Just like you said, 196n/20Kg/44lbs. seems to be standard or at least a typical spec for Hyundais car with the pull type parking brake lever.
The "weak link" ... doing it by feel it not accurate... hence that's why there is a spec of 196N/20 Kg/44Lbs for these newer hyundai vehicles.
One techs feels right, might be over tight (MY CASE... BRAKE DRAG for 13 months)... while another techs feels right, might not be tight enough (AS I SUSPECT IN SCHUKANUOSLADY'S CASE AND MY CASE SINCE NOV 08)
Just out of curiosity, how many clicks do you have to raise your parking brake lever in order to hold your 04 Elantra... when you put your vehicle in drive, while at idle and let off the foot pedal brake (I assumed you have an automatic transmission)?
#21 of 36 Re: WARNING TO ALL 2006 and Newer Hyundai Owners [Bad08Sonata]
Jan 01, 2009 (6:28 pm)
My son is out and about with the Elantra, I'll have to get back to you on that one. I just know that when I was last in the car in my driveway and used the parking brake, it went up a LOT farther than it ever did before, I think more than 7 clicks but I don't recall just how many. I am not sure the brake has ever been adjusted in the nearly 5 years I've had the car. I don't drive that car much now since I turned it over to my son, so I'll have to take it out and see what's what.
I would think an over-tightening or under-tightening would be more due to not turning the adjustment screw the appropriate amount, but that is just conjecture.
P.S. What I actually was trying to say was that the 196N/20 kg/44 lbs spec seems to be common for MANY different cars, not just Hyundais. Try a Google search on those terms, especially 196N, and see what you get.