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Hybrid Vehicles Were hybrids ever the silver bullet?
46 messages, Last post on Mar 14, 2009 at 6:32 PM
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 15, 2009 1:33 pm)  10 mpg in the same framework I smile. I've gotten as high as 62 mpg's several times in this annoying trap. The Prius runs cooler too in extreem hot weather for obvious reasons. One other thing: the styling never seems to grow old considering that my 'o4 Prius looks just like an '09. What do they say? Don't mess with a good thing. 
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Replying to: railroadjames (Jan 15, 2009 7:42 pm) 
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 16, 2009 3:00 am) P.S. Thanks to TOYOTA I've saved enough $$$$$ in gas savings to actually get out and vacation each yr. Remember when gas was $4.50 -$4.75? I watched as a woman in a 3/piece suit filled a Hummer to the tune of $130.00 plus while I came & went to the happy tune of a $32.00 fill-up. She was back in 300 miles to do it again where as I wouldn't do it till well after 500 plus miles. The "price premium" seems a matter of perspective. 
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Replying to: railroadjames (Jan 16, 2009 5:06 am) Like you said, to each their own. The Prius is the right car for some, but not for me. |
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Replying to: railroadjames (Jan 16, 2009 5:06 am) I agree she was stupid to buy the Hummer when she could buy a BMW X5 diesel or Mercedes GL320 CDI and gotten 700 miles on a tank of diesel close to 30 MPG. With a lot more luxury and performance at about the same price. I know you like your Prius. 15 minutes riding around with a friend turned me off on them COMPLETELY. I would rather spend 3 times as much for gas in my gas guzzling Sequoia than be subjected to that rough noisy little car. Taking an 8k mile trip in one proves you are one tough dude.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 15, 2009 1:33 pm) You look at the extra cost to acquire and say 'Ah ha...' But that is just too shortshighted. As railroadjames was implying above the analysis also has to include Length of Ownership Annual miles driven Average cost of fuel over the Length of Ownership ( you don't really think that fuel will remain at $1.75 for the next 10 years I hope ) Maintenance Reliability Equal vehicles and equal equipment ( not a Fusion vs a Mazda 3 ) The 'value' of more horsepower and the one that negates the 'hybrid premium' considerations RESALE value. The only serious way to analyse these costs is to create a spreadsheet to accumulate the costs over the expected lifetime of ownership and then compare the total costs Here's why this is so important.. Yes in the beginning it does cost more to purchase a new hybrid with similar amenities over the non-hybrid version of that same vehicle. However if I told you that if you owned the hybrid for 7 yrs and drove 150,000 miles that in those 7 yrs that you'd end up spending $2000-$4000 less than for the pleasure of driving the non-hybrid....would you care what the 'hybrid premium ' was upfront? No you'd be more interested in the total cost. Who cares what the initital 'premium' is or how long it takes to 'recover' it. What matters is how much does this depreciating asset cost you while your own it. It only matters which costs less in total. We'll have to wait and see how Ford prices this FFH vs the non-hybrid version. But as an indicator, the TCH ranges from a 'premium' of $3000 to a 'discount' of $5000 vis-a-vis it's non-hybrid siblings. When sold at a discount obviously the whole 'hybrid premium' issue vanishes into thin air. It costs less to begin with and the savings just add up from day one onward.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 16, 2009 6:31 am) What matters if if a person decides that they like the car and feels that it's the right move for them. The choice as far as pro-hybrid isn't always financial either...some just prefer to burn less gas and don't care how much it costs them. More power to them, but everyone has different tastes and priorities.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 16, 2009 3:00 am) Then this emotion is the basis of your arguments. That perfectly valid as long as you don't try to rationalize 'good' vs 'bad' with spurious data that's easily disproven.. Apart from likes and dislikes in a simply dispassionate analysis the hybrids cost the same or less overall than their non-hybrid counteparts. |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 16, 2009 6:44 am) As I said in the prior post your likes and dislikes are perfectly valid and prolly more important. That's fine. Just don't try to justify your emotions with facts that don't exist. Your emotional reasons for now buying one are valid enough. Remember some of the TCH and presumably some of the FFH will cost $3000 to $5000 less than their non-hybrid siblings.....UPFRONT!!! Just ignore the facts and buy what you like.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 16, 2009 6:50 am)
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