Last post on Jun 02, 2009 at 1:34 PM
You are in the BMW 3-Series
What is this discussion about?
BMW 3 Series, Sedan, Wagon
#8 of 19 Re: What to do when the CPO period ends? [Mr_Shiftright]
Dec 23, 2008 (8:29 pm)
All true but I think you've been incredibly lucky and/or diligent with your monthly operating costs.
Well, that's been the case for my last three BMWs. Three different models, three different years; 1995, 1997, 2004. I don't believe it's luck. Yes, my CCA discount helps, as does a bit of research, but right now my 2007 POS Mazdaspeed 3 is proving to be much more problematic and more expensive to run than any late model BMW I've ever owned. Nothing but the Blau Mit Weiss for me from now on...
#9 of 19 Re: What to do when the CPO period ends? [roadburner]
Dec 23, 2008 (8:41 pm)
I am a bit risk adverse and I can only do the very, very basic maintenance myself. It just seems that whenever I have the car in to be repaired or serviced, the service folks tell me that I am lucky that I have the service and maintenance program still going. Front brakes - would have been $1,500, 50K service - would have been $1,300, Front axle boots - would have been $1K, front left CV cylinder - would have been $$$. Now it could be that this dealer is trying pad his profit. What kind of discounts do the BMW clubs actually provide....I am not currently a member. Thanks.
#10 of 19 Re: What to do when the CPO period ends? [skgolfer]
Dec 23, 2008 (9:12 pm)
It just seems that whenever I have the car in to be repaired or serviced, the service folks tell me that I am lucky that I have the service and maintenance program still going. Front brakes - would have been $1,500, 50K service - would have been $1,300,
Your dealer is trying to skin you. Bad. Pads and rotors for all four wheels of my wife's 2004 X3 cost less than $1000 at my dealer. And the Inspection II cost less than $400. They might be trying to scare you into a newer car. That's not unheard of.
Now it could be that this dealer is trying pad his profit.
That's the understatement of the year. Grand Larceny is more like it.
What kind of discounts do the BMW clubs actually provide
There is only one BMW Club in the US- the BMW Car Club of America. Many dealers and indie shops offer discounts of 10%-20% on parts and/or labor. Note that some unscrupulous dealers and shops charge 20%-30% over MSRP for parts, so the "discount" is really no such thing. I suspect that your dealer plays the same game.
#11 of 19 Re: What to do when the CPO period ends? [roadburner]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 23, 2008 (9:31 pm)
None of my friends have quite your luck, sad to say. It's just one thing after another for them as their Bimmers mile up The '98 3 series of one friend got very squirrely around 80K, with the typical cooling system issues, another friend's 325is is pretty good at 110K but eats fuel pumps and has its share of electrical gremlins. My buddy's 7 series has been a disaster. The '99 5 series of my friend's parents has been the best of the bunch at about 105K, but did have AC issues and again electrical glitches.
I have incredibly good "luck" with cars too but I don't call it luck. I'm really diligent and I head off trouble before it starts. I spend a lot of time with my cars, looking 'em over. Also have a great network for repairs and parts.
So I give credit to anyone who can run a modern car at such low cost.
#12 of 19 Four BMWs....
Dec 24, 2008 (11:31 am)
I'm currently on my 4th 3 Series. I've followed "sell-before-this-date" rule on three of them.... and I think that's the way to go.
They're desirable cars that are easy to sell while still under CPO and command a (slight) premium because you can tell the buyer "If you have any problems, you're still under warranty".
After that's gone, you're dependent on having all your stamps in your service book. Otherwise people are leary of high milage old BMW's.
Additionally, my E-46 had several interesting problems that were no big deal under warranty but would have been annoying if I'd been paying. All four window regulators $500 a pop. Four of six coils. No thanks.
Having said that, I bought my wife a 328i in 1998. She has driven it 51K miles in the last 10 years. It's a wonderful car, and she doesn't want to replace it, and frankly, it's just fine and will be for years to come. However, it is still comparatively expensive to own, if one does (and I do) all the required maintenance ( regular oil changes regardless of milage, brake fluid, antifreeze flushes), and takes care of (and I do) every even minor thing that needs attention. Thoes little things ain't cheap. A Harmon-Kardon tweeter got old and failed - that was $100 or so for the speaker itself and another $150 or so to have replaced.... and there are 8 or 10 speakers. By the way, it also required a new radiator when the original failed for no particular reason. Oh - and I almost forget that I had to replace all the suspension bushings recently.....another $1500 for no reason except age.
Me? I'd sell and get another one.
#13 of 19 Re: Four BMWs.... [lokki]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 24, 2008 (11:35 am)
You know how it is with cars. There's the "bell curve" in which most owner's experiences fall, and then there are the "outlanders" on either end of the curve, people who have much better, and much worse, experiences than the majority.
My own personal rating for BMWs "bell curve" is "average reliability", nothing too bad, nothing too great. A bit "iffy" IMO.
so your post-CPO experience is most likely going to be "iffy".
In terms of driving experience, styling, resale, etc., they are tops.
#14 of 19 I'd agree that the reliability is average
Dec 24, 2008 (11:39 am)
I'd agree that the reliability is average..... and that the repair costs are perhaps above average.
As a former Alfa owner, I view the repair and maintenance costs as part of the price of ownership - the price you pay for the rest of the BMW experience - but worth it.
Having said that, the maintenance costs are the reason I'll probably never have a Porsche. I can afford the entry costs easily.... I'm not so sure about the ownership costs.
My pockets are deep enough for BMW ownership (helped by their built-in maintenance program or the CPO) but a Porsche!
You're talking boat money when you talk Porsche repairs!
#15 of 19 Re: I'd agree that the reliability is average [lokki]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 24, 2008 (1:29 pm)
Porsche BMW Audi...even VW....German cars are not cheap to fix. They are much cheaper to MAINTAIN.
#16 of 19 Re: What to do when the CPO period ends? [skgolfer]
Jan 07, 2009 (8:12 pm)
Lordy....this is too easy. My 2008 335i has been in the shop 8 times already; I am definitely without a doubt geting rid of this repair bill before the warranty ends. These cars are a guaranteed high pressure fuel pump replacement either sooner or later. It's just a matter of time.
#17 of 19 Re: What to do when the CPO period ends? [JunkOwner]
Jan 08, 2009 (2:18 pm)
I've got a 2003 that I bought CPO with a great interest rate. I mention that because I'm still making payments (for another 15 months). I'm inclined to get rid of it because I can pay maintenance or I can make payments, but I can't do both.
I will run it by my mechanic for a once over before I make a final decision. Its been a great car for my 3 years/40,000 miles.