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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [fintail] by carnaught
Jan 02, 2009 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 02, 2009 9:54 am)

I will say, tailgating when there is easy room to pass is every bit as bad as LLCing.
 
What is LLCing?
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [larsb] by dtownfb
Jan 02, 2009 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 6:36 am)

I guess the fact that Americans drove less in 2008 due to higher gas prices had nothing to with these decreases....
 
I do agree that excessive speeding does cause accidents but simply having the police do their jobs resolves this. All you have to do is have a few officers drive on the highway during rush hour. It's amazing how people remember to use their turn signal; move out of the left lane; slow down, etc.
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [carnaught] by steve_ HOST
Jan 02, 2009 (6:19 pm)
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Replying to: carnaught (Jan 02, 2009 2:31 pm)

Left Lane Camping - i.e., not staying in the right lane(s) as required by most state motor vehicle laws. See Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.) for lots of examples.
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [steve_] by upstatedoc
Jan 06, 2009 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 02, 2009 6:19 pm)

I swear, 75% of the people that live in my state don't know this is illegal.
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [upstatedoc] by dtownfb
Jan 06, 2009 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: upstatedoc (Jan 06, 2009 8:46 am)

You MUST live in MD then.....
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [dtownfb] by upstatedoc
Jan 06, 2009 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jan 06, 2009 9:18 am)

NY, then it must be an epidemic...
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [larsb] by grbeck
Jan 06, 2009 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 2:42 pm)

larsb: No matter how "good" drivers become and/or already are, accidents at 75 MPH are more severe and deadly (as a general rule) than the same accident at 55 MPH.
 
Except that raising the speed limit has not resulted in more fatalities and accidents, and there is no proof that drivers traveling at 75 mph are involved in more accidents, or are more deadly, than drivers who travel at 55 mph.
  
larsb: This is one of the famous "Autobahn" wreck pictures. You think this would have happened at 55 mph?
 
A red herring argument. Most fatalities occur at speeds below 45 mph, and limited access highways, where speeds are the highest, are among our safest roads.
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [grbeck] by larsb
Jan 06, 2009 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 06, 2009 10:28 am)

grbeck says, "and there is no proof that drivers traveling at 75 mph are involved in more accidents, or are more deadly, than drivers who travel at 55 mph."
 
Ask a first responder if he would rather assist in a 55 MPH wreck or a 75 MPH wreck.
 
There's your "proof" right there.
 
It's not rocket science - it's common sense.
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [upstatedoc] by berri
Jan 06, 2009 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: upstatedoc (Jan 06, 2009 10:26 am)

Wisconsin and Indiana seem like stay left except to pass states as well.
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Data by larsb
Jan 06, 2009 (10:46 am)
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Here is someone who can show data related to speed and accidents and injuries:
 
European Road Safety Observatory

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