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. by fintail
Dec 16, 2008 (2:58 pm)
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Aren't these revenue creation masquerading as safety infractions easy to fight? Something along the lines of signing an affidavit stating you weren't the driver?
 
"Uh yeah my friend Bob was driving the car that day...I can't remember his last name...he lives three towns over"
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how to beat the rap by steve_ HOST
Dec 16, 2008 (3:07 pm)
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Driving Tip: Fight a Photo Radar Ticket (Business Week)
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Re: how to beat the rap [steve_] by andys120
Dec 16, 2008 (3:21 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 16, 2008 3:07 pm)

Rules of process and evidence vary from state to state. What might get you off scot free in one jurisdiction could be of no importance in another so I would argue against taking those article points too seriously.
 
Having said that, I once got a photo ticket for running a red light in Boston. Since I go to court on every summons (sometimes even parking tickets) I appeared in Boston District Court.
The magistrate came in and asked those who had gotten a photo ticket to raise their hand and about 6 of us did so. Then and there she dismissed all of them. Apparently she felt that at least some of the points in the Business Week article where applicable to Massachusetts law.
 
BTW- in 45 years of driving that's the only time I've ever been cited for running a light or a sign.
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Re: how to beat the rap [andys120] by steve_ HOST
Dec 16, 2008 (3:31 pm)
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Replying to: andys120 (Dec 16, 2008 3:21 pm)

My wife got a ticket years ago for going 25 in a 20 zone. The ticket was easy to beat because the speed limit sign visible in the photo said 30 mph. D'oh.
 
The guy running the mobile camera got fired and the city ended the photo radar contract early.
 
On the other hand, my elderly mother got a ticket a few months ago for going about 45 in a 30 mph zone - she was just trying to "keep up with traffic." She paid it and then sold her car.
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Re: Photo Radar [andys120] by carnaught
Dec 16, 2008 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: andys120 (Dec 16, 2008 10:54 am)

-Fines are levied only on the registered owner of the vehicle, no license points are accrued and insurance companies are not notified.
 
My buddy tells me that if it is 85mph or over in Az., it is a criminal vehicular offense and therefore license points are levied.
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Re: Photo Radar [carnaught] by berri
Dec 16, 2008 (4:54 pm)
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Replying to: carnaught (Dec 16, 2008 4:43 pm)

Let's see, the photo company gets a rake each time a ticket is issued - tell me these cameras aren't rigged with a short yellow light, or a few extra mph to increase the photo company commisions. If a city uses the cameras, the city should run them and there should be no cut to the photo company to insure it is honest. Face it, how frequently do you read about crooked business deals any more.
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New NHSA Report... by andys120
Dec 17, 2008 (8:25 am)
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..We've all heard the phrase 'speed kills', and it's been widely applied to situations both apt and not. A recent study conducted by the NHTSA examining over 5,400 crashes across a nearly three-year period presents some evidence that excessive speed, while it may cause more serious injuries, is not a leading cause of accidents.
 
Adopting a simplified linear model of an accident's timeline, the most frequent 'critical pre-crash event' cause is driver inattention. The 'critical pre-crash event' is defined as the action or event that puts the vehicle on an inevitable collision course - the point of no return.

 
Got that, driver inattention, not speed causes most accidents.
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Re: New NHSA Report... [andys120] by larsb
Dec 17, 2008 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: andys120 (Dec 17, 2008 8:25 am)

Higher speed crashes due to driver inattention are more serious, dangerous, and costly to insurance companies than lower-speed crashes.
 
Slowing down is good for EVERYONE.
 
Except the states trying to drum up income from the speed cameras.
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Re: New NHSA Report... [larsb] by fintail
Dec 17, 2008 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 17, 2008 8:36 am)

So then we should all go no more than 40 or so
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Re: New NHSA Report... [fintail] by larsb
Dec 17, 2008 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 17, 2008 8:46 am)

I will if you will...............

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