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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [fintail] by larsb
Dec 30, 2008 (10:07 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 30, 2008 10:03 am)

Well, I guess it depends on your definition of "ineffective."
 
If the goal is to slow down traffic, I think that is working here. That part is the only part that needs to be effective - because all the other "good" things come from that basic step.
 
Just by slowing people down, traffic collisions and injuries and deaths are reduced automagically.
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [larsb] by fintail
Dec 30, 2008 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 10:07 am)

So why not then simply reduce all limits to maybe 40? Casualties would drop off the charts and fatalities would almost vanish. Problem solved, right?
 
Still no positive relationship between cameras that truly exist to make money for desperate municipalities and well connected crony capitalist camera operators and any wide ranging improvement in road safety.
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [fintail] by larsb
Dec 30, 2008 (10:49 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 30, 2008 10:15 am)

I'd personally drive 40 mph all day long. My TCH can maintain battery-only mode at that speed.
 
And I'm not against the city/state/county making money on speeders. If you want to speed and add risk and danger to your life, you may pay $157 for the privilege, each time.
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Re: The Politics of Cameras [euphonium] by oldfarmer50
Dec 30, 2008 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (Dec 30, 2008 9:01 am)

"...and what was its reply when you confronted the parking meter?..."
 
LOL It took the 5th and remained silent. The meter maid on the other hand agreed that when I put another quarter in and the meter still read zero, that it might be broken and voided the ticket.
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [larsb] by fintail
Dec 30, 2008 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 10:49 am)

Can you imagine driving across a wide open rural area or on a modern superhighway under ideal conditions at 40? It's illogical and repressive. It isn't 1930 anymore.
 
Camera ticket me all you want, I'll simply lie my way out of it...lying to liars isn't a sin, right?
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [fintail] by larsb
Dec 30, 2008 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 30, 2008 11:06 am)

fintail says, "It's illogical and repressive."
 
Exactly. So why did you bring it up?
 
I'm not condoning or recommending 40 mph speed limits.
 
I'm recommending that people keep their speed at least 10 mph or less over the speed limit if they want to avoid a Photo radar ticket.

If you want to drive 11 mph or more over the limit, then prepare for the financial consequences.
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [larsb] by fintail
Dec 30, 2008 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 11:16 am)

You're the one so concerned with eliminating casualties...you're the one who would love to dawdle in your backwards turtle at 40
 
An even easier task than paying the bill is simply getting a license plate cover or claiming someone else was driving...
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [fintail] by larsb
Dec 30, 2008 (11:44 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 30, 2008 11:30 am)

fintail says, "You're the one so concerned with eliminating casualties"
 
Um, I would hope that EVERYONE HERE is concerned about reducing casualties and injuries and deaths and property damage !!!!
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [larsb] by andys120
Dec 30, 2008 (12:05 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 11:44 am)

Um, I would hope that EVERYONE HERE is concerned about reducing casualties and injuries and deaths and property damage !!!!
 
I'm sure everyone here does, you can get off your high horse now. Everyone here except you is also aware that driver inattention is far more important as a factor in causing accidents than speeding, this was the conclusion of a recent NHTSA Report.
 
You may think there are a lot of speed-crazed drivers in Arizona but I don't think so. You ought to try driving from Boston to New Hampshire on I-93 North, no matter how fast you're going someone will pass you within the next five minutes. They drive too fast, Zonians do not. I am seldom passed by anyone in AZ while traveling within 5 mph of the limit, almost never if I push it to 8-10 over,
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Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [larsb] by fintail
Dec 30, 2008 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 11:44 am)

Simple improvements to driver training and education would do more than anything imaginable to address those problems.
 
"Speed kills" accomplishes nothing.

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