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#41 of 1788 Re: The Politics of Cameras [larsb] by andys120 Dec 29, 2008 (2:11 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 29, 2008 1:27 pm) It's obvious that you have no concept of the basis on which legal proceedings are conducted in the US of A. Replies to this message: berri (Dec 29, 2008 2:21 pm) larsb (Dec 30, 2008 6:34 am) oldfarmer50 (Dec 30, 2008 8:50 am)
#42 of 1788 Re: The Politics of Cameras [andys120] by berri Dec 29, 2008 (2:21 pm)
Replying to: andys120 (Dec 29, 2008 2:11 pm) The judge will seldom let you off because they are part of the whole revenue game. After all, those revenues also pay the judge's salary! I seriously doubt the devices aren't rigged since they have to give a cut to the camera company. We've seen how rampant corruption is in both governemnt and business these past few months.
#43 of 1788 That's not it either..... by andys120 Dec 29, 2008 (3:20 pm)
I know from personal experience that the system is not as rigged or corrupt as you say. I have contested traffic citations at least a dozen times in numerous jurisdictions, I have been able to get a reduced fine or dismissal 50% of the time. If everyone were to do what I do and contest every summons, the sytstem would quickly collapse from over load.
#44 of 1788 Re: The Politics of Cameras [andys120] by larsb Dec 30, 2008 (6:34 am)
Replying to: andys120 (Dec 29, 2008 2:11 pm) Well, you are right in that I don't have PERSONAL experience. I have never stood up before a judge in real life. But I do know about debating and arguing - THOSE I am good at. And I have friends who have gotten photo radar tickets. They ARE ALLOWED to contest the ticket in court before a judge and have their say. That is no different in process than contesting a ticket issued by a human, except that you have one less person to argue with. Replies to this message: oldfarmer50 (Dec 30, 2008 8:50 am)
#45 of 1788 Phoenix area photo radar stats by larsb Dec 30, 2008 (6:36 am)
The latest Phoenix-area photo radar stats were announced. Injury accidents - down 17% Fatalities - down 29% In the first 80 days of the program, about 7 fewer people died than usual. Photo radar CAN save lives and DOES reduce speeds. Replies to this message: fintail (Dec 30, 2008 8:53 am) larsb (Dec 30, 2008 9:35 am) fintail (Dec 30, 2008 10:03 am) and 62 more... dtownfb (Jan 02, 2009 2:53 pm)
#46 of 1788 Re: The Politics of Cameras [larsb] by oldfarmer50 Dec 30, 2008 (8:50 am)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 6:34 am) "...But I do know about debating and arguing..." At last, something we agree on. Have a happy new year.
#47 of 1788 Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [larsb] by fintail Dec 30, 2008 (8:53 am)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 6:36 am) Where is the proof of causation? Replies to this message: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 9:35 am) fintail (Dec 30, 2008 10:03 am) larsb (Dec 30, 2008 10:07 am) and 61 more...
#48 of 1788 Re: The Politics of Cameras [oldfarmer50] by euphonium Dec 30, 2008 (9:01 am)
Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Dec 29, 2008 10:30 am) and what was its reply when you confronted the parking meter? Replies to this message: oldfarmer50 (Dec 30, 2008 11:00 am)
#49 of 1788 Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [fintail] by larsb Dec 30, 2008 (9:35 am)
Replying to: fintail (Dec 30, 2008 8:53 am) fintail says, "Where is the proof of causation?" Common Sense-ation. Replies to this message: fintail (Dec 30, 2008 10:03 am) larsb (Dec 30, 2008 10:07 am) fintail (Dec 30, 2008 10:15 am) and 60 more...
#50 of 1788 Re: Phoenix area photo radar stats [larsb] by fintail Dec 30, 2008 (10:03 am)
Replying to: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 9:35 am) So in other words, nothing. Thanks Such cameras have widely been defined as ineffective in England - the state that invented the Orwellian surveillance grid and has more of these cameras than anywhere else. But maybe results are different in the land of logic and reason known as Arizona. Replies to this message: larsb (Dec 30, 2008 10:07 am) fintail (Dec 30, 2008 10:15 am) larsb (Dec 30, 2008 10:49 am) and 59 more...

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