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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [vinnyny] by xrunner2
Jan 12, 2009 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Jan 12, 2009 11:04 am)

A neighbor down the road, nice guy but dense, was caught in a clearly marked "aircraft surveillance" zone on a US numbered highway about 5 miles from our neighborhood. How stupid is anyone to ignore very "clearly" marked enforcement areas. Can anyone defend that they were trapped when signs clearly informed them about surveilance? Again, you and others similar are candidates for movie updates on Dumb and Dumber.
 
Tag from pillows? What the heck does that have to do with this topic?
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [grbeck] by xrunner2
Jan 12, 2009 (6:00 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 12, 2009 11:22 am)

On my commute late this afternoon on I90, I saw a Chevy Avalanche following a BMW 3 series in left lane at about 75 in a 55 at less than Avalanche car length. The BMW moved over as soon as middle lane traffic (3 lanes) would allow. Somehow these intimidators, this time an Avalanche, need to be punished. Maybe we need the old west as shown in Gunsmoke.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [larsb] by grbeck
Jan 13, 2009 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 11:50 am)

You've changed the subject. In response to your post about photo radar, I said that driving slower than the rate of traffic also causes accidents. I see nothing in your post as to how photo radar deters these drivers.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [larsb] by grbeck
Jan 13, 2009 (3:03 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 11:57 am)

larsb: Are you going on record as saying that merely "the act" of driving 10+ mph over the limit makes people SAFER drivers? Because that's what it appears you are saying. Please don't say yes. ( talk about a credibility hit. )
 
No, I said that, on limited access highways, faster drivers tend to be safer drivers. Your approach - mindlessly punishing the sophisticated, informed drivers who don't believe the stupid "speed kills" baloney - will hardly improve safety.
 
larsb: Let's end traffic accidents altogether by just, SIMPLY, telling everyone to drive 10+ miles over the limit !! Heck, if faster is safer, let's just turn the USA freeways into an AutoBahn and get rid of State Troopers altogether ! Traffic fatalities will DROP and think how much extra money the states will have !!!
 
Actually, that is what happened in Montana when it repealed its speed limit after Congress repealed the nationwide 65 mph speed limit.
 
And telling slowpokes to either go with the flow of traffic on limited access highways or stay home would also improve safety.
 
For the first time on this thread, you are actually making sense, even if you probably don't realize it.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [xrunner2] by grbeck
Jan 13, 2009 (3:05 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 12, 2009 6:00 pm)

That's an argument against tailgating, not against driving 75 mph. Is photo radar going to stop that practice?
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [grbeck] by larsb
Jan 14, 2009 (6:06 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 13, 2009 3:05 pm)

Photo radar deters speeders. Phoenix is proving that, even if other localities already have proven it or not.
 
Tailgating is almost ALWAYS a result of someone WANTING TO GO FASTER.
 
If that person wanting to GO FASTER is of the mind to go 11+ MPH over the speed limit, they will be ticketed as such.
 
If they want to keep paying $157 every time they want to speed, then if their pockets are deep enough, NO photo radar will not stop them.
 
But most REASONABLE people, once they get tabbed a couple of timed for $157, are going to watch how they drive in photo radar areas.
 
That means not tailgating if the tailgating is a precursor to excessive speeding, which is almost ALWAYS is.
 
So your answer is YES, photo radar can curtail certain instances of tailgating.
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Fastest drivers usually most reckless by xrunner2
Jan 14, 2009 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 13, 2009 3:03 pm)

Have to stongly disagree with statement that on limited access highways that faster drivers tend to be safer drivers.
 
On the interstate that I most frequently use, the exact opposite is true. That is, the faster drivers tend to be the most dangerous and reckless. On any given 25 or less mile commute I do, I see numerous incidents of the "faster, fastest" drivers intimidating other drivers in left lane by tailgaiting at perhaps 15-20 over posted limit to push lead driver to move over. If most of these drivers were in 911's or Corvettes, then I might think that they might have some extra abilities to brake, slow down, maneuever. But, that is not the case. Too often the intimidators are in pickups, big suvs, small suvs or ordinary cars not having exceptional braking or maneuverability (per Edmunds or R&:T road tests).
 
It is not uncommon to see a pack of 2-4,5,6,etc tailgaters, each about one car length behind the other. In 3-lane segment of interstate, these faster-fastest drivers will also do reckless lane changes moving from left to center to rignt back to center or left etc in order for them to go 20-25 over the limit. Wish that somehow there were unposted, not visible photo radar technology that could catch these dangerous speeders-tailgaters-lane changers.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [larsb] by vinnyny
Jan 14, 2009 (5:07 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 14, 2009 6:06 am)

"Tailgating is almost ALWAYS a result of someone WANTING TO GO FASTER"
 
OR somebody wanting to WANTING TO GO SLOWER. You know, those morons who think the "Slower traffic keep right" signs don't apply to them.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [vinnyny] by euphonium
Jan 14, 2009 (8:43 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Jan 14, 2009 5:07 pm)

OR somebody wanting to WANTING TO GO FASTER. You know, those morons who think the "Speed Limit" signs don't apply to them.

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