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Replying to: berri (Jan 12, 2009 11:55 am) Because trucks are far heavier than other vehicles, they take longer to stop, are less adept at avoiding hazards, and have much greater crash energy. Therefore, it follows from basic physics that limiting truck speeds could reduce the severity and incidence of truck-related crashes. In reality, though, since 2/3 of auto/truck accidents are the fault of the car, this has not proven to be a help in reducing accidents. It has potential to reduce the SEVERITY of the accidents, but not AUTOMAGICALLY the number of accidents.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 12:03 pm) That's the trouble when you take theory and apply it to the real world, sometimes the theory doesn't hold up. My school district has a policy that our school buses can not travel faster than 55mph no matter what the speed limit. This results in drivers routinely rear-ending the buses or causing crashes in their near frantic efforts to get around the slow moving vehicles. Is it the driver's fault when this happens? Of course, they should be more careful but the accidents would not occur in the first place if the buses were doing the speed limit. If you make all large vehicles slow down while all other vehicles continue to travel at or above the limit you will have a demo derby. |
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Replying to: vinnyny (Jan 12, 2009 11:04 am) Tag from pillows? What the heck does that have to do with this topic?
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 12, 2009 11:22 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 11:50 am) |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 12, 2009 11:57 am) No, I said that, on limited access highways, faster drivers tend to be safer drivers. Your approach - mindlessly punishing the sophisticated, informed drivers who don't believe the stupid "speed kills" baloney - will hardly improve safety. larsb: Let's end traffic accidents altogether by just, SIMPLY, telling everyone to drive 10+ miles over the limit !! Heck, if faster is safer, let's just turn the USA freeways into an AutoBahn and get rid of State Troopers altogether ! Traffic fatalities will DROP and think how much extra money the states will have !!! Actually, that is what happened in Montana when it repealed its speed limit after Congress repealed the nationwide 65 mph speed limit. And telling slowpokes to either go with the flow of traffic on limited access highways or stay home would also improve safety. For the first time on this thread, you are actually making sense, even if you probably don't realize it.
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 12, 2009 6:00 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 13, 2009 3:05 pm) Tailgating is almost ALWAYS a result of someone WANTING TO GO FASTER. If that person wanting to GO FASTER is of the mind to go 11+ MPH over the speed limit, they will be ticketed as such. If they want to keep paying $157 every time they want to speed, then if their pockets are deep enough, NO photo radar will not stop them. But most REASONABLE people, once they get tabbed a couple of timed for $157, are going to watch how they drive in photo radar areas. That means not tailgating if the tailgating is a precursor to excessive speeding, which is almost ALWAYS is. So your answer is YES, photo radar can curtail certain instances of tailgating.
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 13, 2009 3:03 pm) On the interstate that I most frequently use, the exact opposite is true. That is, the faster drivers tend to be the most dangerous and reckless. On any given 25 or less mile commute I do, I see numerous incidents of the "faster, fastest" drivers intimidating other drivers in left lane by tailgaiting at perhaps 15-20 over posted limit to push lead driver to move over. If most of these drivers were in 911's or Corvettes, then I might think that they might have some extra abilities to brake, slow down, maneuever. But, that is not the case. Too often the intimidators are in pickups, big suvs, small suvs or ordinary cars not having exceptional braking or maneuverability (per Edmunds or R&:T road tests). It is not uncommon to see a pack of 2-4,5,6,etc tailgaters, each about one car length behind the other. In 3-lane segment of interstate, these faster-fastest drivers will also do reckless lane changes moving from left to center to rignt back to center or left etc in order for them to go 20-25 over the limit. Wish that somehow there were unposted, not visible photo radar technology that could catch these dangerous speeders-tailgaters-lane changers.
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