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Re: PHOTO RADAR IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL [oldfarmer50] by vinnyny
Jan 11, 2009 (1:14 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 11, 2009 8:25 am)

I'm with you. If only the people who get paid to interpret and enforce the Constitution understood it as well as the common man. Perhaps if advocates like the ACLU spent more time on issues affecting real Americans rather than terrorists who don't even live in this country, we'd get this sorted out once and for all...
That said, I lived in Hawaii when they first tried the speed vans and the ACLU filed suit. There was such outrage that HI gave up on the photo radar idea.
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Re: PHOTO RADAR IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL [vinnyny] by euphonium
Jan 11, 2009 (8:15 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Jan 10, 2009 8:19 pm)

Your daughter has permission to drive YOUR car. "Essential" has nothing to do with who legally has title and ownership. As you are loaning your car to your daughter, you are also loaning her your car insurance and car insurance record.
 
She has no standing or position to loan YOUR car to anybody as she is not the owner.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [grbeck] by xrunner2
Jan 12, 2009 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 09, 2009 9:03 am)

Drivers need to pay attention and act as required to "all" traffic and speed control signs posted by street and highway departments. If a driver fails to notice a photo radar sign, does that same driver fail to notice school zone 20 mph signs, Dangerous Intersection signs, Deaf Child signs, speed reduction signs (55 to 30) when coming into a small town, etc, etc, etc?
 
Anyone getting caught by photo radar, when highway signs are posted warning of same, deserves to be in movies such as Dumb and Dumber. With tolerances of 10 mph given for speeders, one indeed has to be stupid and a dope to get a photo radar ticket.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [xrunner2] by vinnyny
Jan 12, 2009 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 12, 2009 8:55 am)

So you're the genius who slows down when he sees those signs reading: "Speed monitored by aircraft"?
 
Are you also the guy who thinks he'll go to jail for removing the "Do not remove" tags from pillows and blankets, or do you sometimes get a little wild and tear those annoying tags off?
 
I guess you never jaywalk when there are no cars anywhere in sight and everybody else is crossing.
 
You missed my entire argument. Specifically, only the offender is guilty of the offense--and then only after he has been afforded his Constitutional rights. It's lemmings like you that allow the government to turn their children into brown-shirted, jack-booted, informants...
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [larsb] by grbeck
Jan 12, 2009 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 09, 2009 2:43 pm)

Except that driving slower than the rate of traffic also causes accidents, so how is photo radar going to deter them?
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [xrunner2] by grbeck
Jan 12, 2009 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 12, 2009 8:55 am)

Lots of people drive 10 mph faster than the speed limit on limited access highways. It's perfectly safe, so there is no reason to give them a ticket. No need to penalize the safer, better drivers.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [grbeck] by larsb
Jan 12, 2009 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 12, 2009 12:21 pm)

Have you even driven on a highway with photo radar cameras? I have, and I do frequently in the Phoenix area. Side streets also.
 
Not once have I seen anyone dangerously SLAM on their brakes when slowing for the photo enforcement zone. Most people see the sign and gradually decelerate or brake lightly to get within reason.
 
The people who are speeding their butts off at 15+ over the limit usually don't even blink. They are the ones who earn their $157 ticket and should shut up about paying it.
 
The next time a photo enforcement zone causes a wreck will be the FIRST time. At least around here there have been zero reports of that happening. Could it happen? Sure, and it probably will.
 
But it will be a safer accident due to the slower speeds.
 
Go Photo Radar !!!
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [grbeck] by berri
Jan 12, 2009 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 12, 2009 12:22 pm)

I've always suspected that cities and states post speed limits around 10 mph below what is safe accounting for expected speeding and fine money. How else do you account for some of the dumb limits I've seen posted? One of the stupidest is Illinois (what else is new!) where they have trucks clogging up the Interstate with limits 10 mph below cars. Now that's real safe and shows what happens when lawyers and revenue starved cops make decisions based on the profit motive (trucks pay higher fines than cars and since many are out of state they are less likely to be able to go to court). The sad thing is that over time these kind of things make people lose respect for laws and start thinking of troopers more as revenuers than police.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [grbeck] by larsb
Jan 12, 2009 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 12, 2009 12:22 pm)

grbeck says, "No need to penalize the safer, better drivers."
 
Are you going on record as saying that merely "the act" of driving 10+ mph over the limit makes people SAFER drivers? Because that's what it appears you are saying. Please don't say yes. ( talk about a credibility hit. )
 
Call NHTSA immediately and let them know you have a super-secret bit of information for them !!! Call the Fraternal Order of Police and let them know their people are wasting time enforcing speed limits !!!
 
Let's end traffic accidents altogether by just, SIMPLY, telling everyone to drive 10+ miles over the limit !! Heck, if faster is safer, let's just turn the USA freeways into an AutoBahn and get rid of State Troopers altogether ! Traffic fatalities will DROP and think how much extra money the states will have !!!
 
(puh-frickin-leeze)
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [berri] by larsb
Jan 12, 2009 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Jan 12, 2009 12:55 pm)

Here is the theory behind slower limits for large trucks:
 
Because trucks are far heavier than other vehicles, they take longer to stop, are less adept at avoiding hazards, and have much greater crash energy. Therefore, it follows from basic physics that limiting truck speeds could reduce the severity and incidence of truck-related crashes.
 
In reality, though, since 2/3 of auto/truck accidents are the fault of the car, this has not proven to be a help in reducing accidents. It has potential to reduce the SEVERITY of the accidents, but not AUTOMAGICALLY the number of accidents.

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