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Re: PHOTO RADAR IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL [andys120] by oldfarmer50
Jan 10, 2009 (12:01 pm)
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Replying to: andys120 (Jan 10, 2009 11:28 am)

"...This incident confirms my suspicion..."
 
As it does mine. To take this to an extreme example lets say your car is stolen and used to rob a bank. The bank cameras catch the crook driving away from the scene. The police arrest you and you are sent to jail.
 
You say to the judge, "but you can see from the photo that it wasn't me driving the getaway car". The judge responds "well, if you can identify the crook and tell us where he lives we'll let you go".
 
How absurd would that be?
 
I would tell the OP to fight the ticket as the judge seems really out of line. It would probably cost much more to do that than to just pay up. That may be just what the court is counting on.
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Re: PHOTO RADAR IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL [oldfarmer50] by berri
Jan 10, 2009 (12:06 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 10, 2009 12:01 pm)

Face it, its just a money grab by cities and states that can't live within their budgets.
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Re: PHOTO RADAR IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL [oldfarmer50] by vinnyny
Jan 10, 2009 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 10, 2009 12:01 pm)

The critical difference in your scenario is that the thief was driving the vehicle illegally--without the owner's permission. My daughter has permission to drive the car (it's essentially hers).
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Re: PHOTO RADAR IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL [carnaught] by vinnyny
Jan 10, 2009 (7:21 pm)
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Replying to: carnaught (Jan 10, 2009 9:39 am)

Yup. The choice was give up the guilty party, pay the ticket, or try running from my bench warrant. So, I paid the ticket and collected from my daughter's idiot boyfriend.
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Re: Accuracy? However, it is a good story. [euphonium] by vinnyny
Jan 10, 2009 (7:27 pm)
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Replying to: euphonium (Jan 10, 2009 10:01 am)

The story is bogus--except perhaps the part where the radar gun picked up the Hornet's speed. Even that part is very questionable--as someone who has flown low-level, 300 knots, directly over highly-motivated, well-armed enemies, a small aircraft is very difficult to lock on to.
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Re: PHOTO RADAR IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL [vinnyny] by oldfarmer50
Jan 11, 2009 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Jan 10, 2009 7:19 pm)

"...The critical difference in your scenario is that the thief was driving the vehicle illegally--without the owner's permission. My daughter has permission to drive the car..."
 
I did say that I was using an extreme example to make a point. However, my example still applies to your situation. Your daughter may essentially own the car but is still LEGALLY yours. Unless you gave the boyfriend permission to drive it he was guilty of unauthorized use. Less serious than bank robbery but still illegal.
 
My original point was that the court should not make you responsible for identifying a violator of the law. That is the job for which we hire police and which is what would have happened if photo radar was not being used as a substitute for a human cop.
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Re: PHOTO RADAR IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL [oldfarmer50] by vinnyny
Jan 11, 2009 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 11, 2009 7:25 am)

I'm with you. If only the people who get paid to interpret and enforce the Constitution understood it as well as the common man. Perhaps if advocates like the ACLU spent more time on issues affecting real Americans rather than terrorists who don't even live in this country, we'd get this sorted out once and for all...
That said, I lived in Hawaii when they first tried the speed vans and the ACLU filed suit. There was such outrage that HI gave up on the photo radar idea.
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Re: PHOTO RADAR IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL [vinnyny] by euphonium
Jan 11, 2009 (7:15 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Jan 10, 2009 7:19 pm)

Your daughter has permission to drive YOUR car. "Essential" has nothing to do with who legally has title and ownership. As you are loaning your car to your daughter, you are also loaning her your car insurance and car insurance record.
 
She has no standing or position to loan YOUR car to anybody as she is not the owner.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [grbeck] by xrunner2
Jan 12, 2009 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 09, 2009 8:03 am)

Drivers need to pay attention and act as required to "all" traffic and speed control signs posted by street and highway departments. If a driver fails to notice a photo radar sign, does that same driver fail to notice school zone 20 mph signs, Dangerous Intersection signs, Deaf Child signs, speed reduction signs (55 to 30) when coming into a small town, etc, etc, etc?
 
Anyone getting caught by photo radar, when highway signs are posted warning of same, deserves to be in movies such as Dumb and Dumber. With tolerances of 10 mph given for speeders, one indeed has to be stupid and a dope to get a photo radar ticket.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [xrunner2] by vinnyny
Jan 12, 2009 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 12, 2009 7:55 am)

So you're the genius who slows down when he sees those signs reading: "Speed monitored by aircraft"?
 
Are you also the guy who thinks he'll go to jail for removing the "Do not remove" tags from pillows and blankets, or do you sometimes get a little wild and tear those annoying tags off?
 
I guess you never jaywalk when there are no cars anywhere in sight and everybody else is crossing.
 
You missed my entire argument. Specifically, only the offender is guilty of the offense--and then only after he has been afforded his Constitutional rights. It's lemmings like you that allow the government to turn their children into brown-shirted, jack-booted, informants...

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