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Comment on larsb by pat85
Jan 09, 2009 (8:13 am)
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"the fact that it is usually more pleasurable to drive faster on limited access highways" - True for some people, but mostly only younger males. When you get older, driving is more of a CHORE than any kind of FUN. The faster you drive, the more you need to pay complete attention to the road, which is why younger drivers who drive fast have more fatal accidents.
 
I am a young 63 year old. I personally find it more pleasurable to drive faster on limited access highways. I do not consider driving a chore.
 You are not authorized to speak for anyone but yourself,
BTW I have Fresnel lens covers on my license plates so they can't get a picture of them.
One more item, no matter how fast or slow you drive, one should always pay complete attention to the road.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [larsb] by cz75
Jan 09, 2009 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 10:51 am)

Speeding doesn't CAUSE accidents. Rather, it exacerbates them. I can and have driven an average speed well in excess of the posted limit and wasn't in danger from just my speed. However, my reaction time to the mistakes of other drivers was dramatically reduced with regard to being able to compensate. Also, at some point, speed will exceed the margin of safety built into the vehicle, with regard to handling and driver ability.
 
If speed was a cause, it would be a forgone outcome that any time one exceeded the posted limit, one would have an accident. The Autobahn effectively disproves this, since speeds are far higher and the death rates significantly lower than in the US. Coincidentally, the limits of highways are quite low considering that they were designed for higher speeds when they were built in the 50s-70s, a period when vehicles and tires were far less capable.
#188 of 1788
Re: Comment on larsb [pat85] by larsb
Jan 09, 2009 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: pat85 (Jan 09, 2009 8:13 am)

I was speaking "as a rule."
 
Every rule has exceptions, and you are one of them
 
Congrats.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [cz75] by larsb
Jan 09, 2009 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: cz75 (Jan 09, 2009 8:14 am)

cz75 says, "Speeding doesn't CAUSE accidents. Rather, it exacerbates them."

Well, as a rule, yes you are correct. Speeding makes an accident worse in almost every case.
 
But speeding CAN be a CAUSE also.
 
Example: You are driving 40 in a 25 zone. A kid's ball bounces in front of you, and you brake and swerve toward the curb to avoid it. At 25 mph, you might stop before the curb or just bump it. At 40 mph, you more than likely will jump the curb and plow into whatever is there. Thus an accident which would not have occurred without speeding now has occurred because of speeding.
 
That's one example that just came to me, but you know there are many others.
 
But yes, as a rule, SPEEDING BY ITSELF rarely causes accidents. True.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [larsb] by cz75
Jan 09, 2009 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 09, 2009 8:39 am)

Speeding wasn't the cause, the child with the ball was the cause. I save the calculated risk of exceeding the speed limit for limited access highways with little congestion so I can avoid such exigencies; urban driving is far too congested and unpredictable during most hours.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [cz75] by larsb
Jan 09, 2009 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: cz75 (Jan 09, 2009 8:58 am)

Well, we are getting in semantics a little bit there.
 
The point remains that lower speeds can help you avoid accidents.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [cz75] by larsb
Jan 09, 2009 (9:58 am)
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Replying to: cz75 (Jan 09, 2009 8:58 am)

My guess is that if the swerver had taken out a light pole or a pedestrian, crime scene analysis would have determined his/her speed as "excessive" and he/she would most likely have been charged with "unsafe speed" at the very least.
 
You drive 25 in a 25 zone, and the cause would be the kid's ball. You drive 40, and excessive speed becomes the culprit.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [larsb] by andre1969
Jan 09, 2009 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 09, 2009 9:58 am)

You drive 25 in a 25 zone, and the cause would be the kid's ball. You drive 40, and excessive speed becomes the culprit.
 
Depends. You could be driving 40 mph and be paying attention to the road ahead, and end up stopping in time. Or you could be yakking on the cell or playing with your Ipod or putting on makeup at 25 mph, and still end up causing a big mess.
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One of the advantages of PR is by euphonium
Jan 09, 2009 (10:35 am)
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it provides investment income to purchase more PRs until the motorcycle cop hiding behind the billboard can be replaced and do something more than mundane ticket writing.
 
The investment income can be allocated to filling pot holes,fixing guard rails, and building attitude adjustment chambers.
 
The only monetary concern of the violator is not where the fine money goes, but how the fine originates. When the violator doesn't want to come up with the fine, he can always submit to the law. It's another "Pay as you Go" idea.
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Re: OK now you make me break out stats [larsb] by grbeck
Jan 09, 2009 (1:07 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 09, 2009 9:09 am)

You are getting off track here. We are talking about limited access highways. In Arizona and in the other 49 states, children are not playing ball along limited access highways. People aren't driving 70 mph through subdivisions, and no one here is advocating that they do, so it may be useful to put that red herring back in the water where it belongs.

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