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Replying to: vcheng (Jun 05, 2009 8:34 am) Should we be offended by the constant surveillance when walking into a bank and going to the teller's cage? Bank I go to has many cameras and presumably operating and capturing my image on tape or dvr. I have never done anything against the law in a bank yet every time I go there I am presumably recorded on tape or dvr. |
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jun 05, 2009 8:40 am)  People generally have different (lower) expectations of rights on private property. |
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jun 05, 2009 8:40 am) We have a right to be secure in our persons against unreasonable searches and seizures. These rights cannot be violated but upon probable cause. Quite a simple but powerful concept really, but ignored by many for their own ulterior motives to the detriment of our great nation. Witness the gut wrenching issues related to the use of torture in the name of keeping us safe, and you may see the analogy. Slippery slopes indeed!
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jun 05, 2009 6:58 am) Paying toll or not is vastly different than speeding above a chosen number. Using them for documenting running the toll payment is a fiscal matter. Justified there.
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As for highway workers, put a police car out in the construction zones. Use helicopters and airplanes. When people see others with flashing red/blue lights behind them, they slow down the next time they're in a construction zone. I noticed in past years when Indianapolis was working on I70 east of downtown, people were going the 45 or whatever the speed limit was. I passed two different Indianapolis police cars; one with a car stopped and the other sitting in a location to check with radar or laser the speed of traffic. Last construction death in this area was a cement truck backing over a worker sitting on the edge of the work area who didn't notice the beeping of the truck backing up toward him. Not connected with speeding at the I70/I75 interchange which has been under reconstruction for what seems like a decade now.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 05, 2009 10:52 am) Not paying a toll is theft and is illegal. Speeding, especially 10+ over, is illegal. Speeding such as 25 over as I have seen/estimated, 70 in a 45 construction zone, is illegal and criminal, especially when at times workers are within 5-10 feet of the speeding vehicles. Having police cars, chasers, airplanes, helicopters constantly in 8-10 hour work day construction zones would be prohibitively expensive. Public information campaigns, prominent signage ahead of and in construction zones of camera enforcement would do a lot to mostly eliminate the idiot drivers that want to speed in these zones. Believe that fine for speeding in construction zones in Illinois is $375. |
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Replying to: vcheng (Jan 30, 2009 11:18 am) Quite a simple but powerful concept really, but ignored by many for their own ulterior motives to the detriment of our great nation. Witness the gut wrenching issues related to the use of torture in the name of keeping us safe, and you may see the analogy. Our country has not performed torture to keep us safe. Torture, as has been recounted by Iraqui citizens when Hussein in power, and issue of photo radar for speeding, red lights or toll violators cannot be connected with analogy.
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jun 08, 2009 6:22 am)  On with discussing photo radar and automatic enforcement only ......
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 05, 2009 10:55 am) As each of the cars in front of me passed this device the sign read "Your Speed Is 64, Slow Down". Then as I passed at EXACTLY 55, the sign said that I too was doing 64. This leads me to wonder about the accuracy of this type of technology. How many people are nailed by a malfunctioning photo radar and how would you prove that it was the device that's wrong. Seems that a human operator would pick up that his radar was not working correctly very quickly. A wacky photo radar might ticket hundreds of cars before it was noticed. 
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jun 08, 2009 9:01 am) A police officer with eyes can tell approximately how fast a car is moving and then they are supposed to use their laser/radar to VERIFY the speed, rather than use the radar to get a high reading, verify that visually, and then give out a ticket. An office would see the car was not moving excessively fast. |
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