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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jun 05, 2009 6:58 am) However, technology is a double edged sword. What is wrong with photo radar is the potential for abuse that has been realised time and again and mentality of helping to "control drivers" and "continuously monitor drivers" without regard to due process and civil liberty concerns. This technology is the first step to many dangerous consequences for our society and must be stopped, in my opinion. We can agree to disagree about this for sure. 
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Replying to: vcheng (Jun 05, 2009 6:40 am) Poor management of construction sites, poorly laid out detours and signage, and a lack of adherence to standards cause most of the injuries and fatalities, for the worker as well as the drivers. There is plenty of data/research/info on how to properly do it, the industry just isn't motivated. |
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Replying to: vcheng (Jun 05, 2009 7:34 am) about "Potential abuse". OK, so we just give up on any use of the technology? If we can land a man on the moon, can we just possibly figure out methods to manage photo radar to reduce abuse to an acceptable minimum? Could we put the police agencies in total control of the system and minimize camera vendors' involvement? Should Illinois Tollway eliminate their 24/7 camera system for catching toll violators and instead raise tolls to pay for and put in occasional manned police monitoring? Or, alternatively, go backwards and put in manned toll collection at all toll stations?
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jun 05, 2009 8:27 am) I am no Luddite for sure, but this is why this technology and others of similar ilk are irreconcilable with our Constitution in my opinion. Like I said, we will have to agree to disagree on this aspect.
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Replying to: vcheng (Jun 05, 2009 8:34 am) Should we be offended by the constant surveillance when walking into a bank and going to the teller's cage? Bank I go to has many cameras and presumably operating and capturing my image on tape or dvr. I have never done anything against the law in a bank yet every time I go there I am presumably recorded on tape or dvr. |
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jun 05, 2009 8:40 am)  People generally have different (lower) expectations of rights on private property. |
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jun 05, 2009 8:40 am) We have a right to be secure in our persons against unreasonable searches and seizures. These rights cannot be violated but upon probable cause. Quite a simple but powerful concept really, but ignored by many for their own ulterior motives to the detriment of our great nation. Witness the gut wrenching issues related to the use of torture in the name of keeping us safe, and you may see the analogy. Slippery slopes indeed!
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jun 05, 2009 6:58 am) Paying toll or not is vastly different than speeding above a chosen number. Using them for documenting running the toll payment is a fiscal matter. Justified there.
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As for highway workers, put a police car out in the construction zones. Use helicopters and airplanes. When people see others with flashing red/blue lights behind them, they slow down the next time they're in a construction zone. I noticed in past years when Indianapolis was working on I70 east of downtown, people were going the 45 or whatever the speed limit was. I passed two different Indianapolis police cars; one with a car stopped and the other sitting in a location to check with radar or laser the speed of traffic. Last construction death in this area was a cement truck backing over a worker sitting on the edge of the work area who didn't notice the beeping of the truck backing up toward him. Not connected with speeding at the I70/I75 interchange which has been under reconstruction for what seems like a decade now.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 05, 2009 10:52 am) Not paying a toll is theft and is illegal. Speeding, especially 10+ over, is illegal. Speeding such as 25 over as I have seen/estimated, 70 in a 45 construction zone, is illegal and criminal, especially when at times workers are within 5-10 feet of the speeding vehicles. Having police cars, chasers, airplanes, helicopters constantly in 8-10 hour work day construction zones would be prohibitively expensive. Public information campaigns, prominent signage ahead of and in construction zones of camera enforcement would do a lot to mostly eliminate the idiot drivers that want to speed in these zones. Believe that fine for speeding in construction zones in Illinois is $375. |
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