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#1703 of 1788 Re: Stop Signs [xrunner2] by imidazol97 May 13, 2009 (6:13 am)
Replying to: xrunner2 (May 13, 2009 5:45 am) >Photo radar for speed and stop signs would not be necessary if there weren't those incredibly irresponsible drivers who "grossly" violated speed limits or wantonly ran through traffic control devices such as stop lights and stop signs. Blame photo radar on these folks.   But how do the businesses selling the photo/redlight/radar speed services to the political entities know which of the hundreds of intersections in a small town to have cameras at? They don't put cameras up at ALL intersections and stop signs or else they might actually have a chance of capturing pictures of the hardcore criminals like that. Of course, are we to believe that they pay the tickets for the camera businesses? Brooklyn Bridge for sale if we believe they do!!!   Indeed this points all the more to having real policemen on the patrol to note the funny things that happen that make them suspictious so they stop a vehicle before the driver runs through a stoplight. Replies to this message: xrunner2 (May 13, 2009 6:29 am) vcheng (May 13, 2009 6:40 am) andres3 (May 13, 2009 1:15 pm)
#1704 of 1788 Re: Stop Signs [imidazol97] by xrunner2 May 13, 2009 (6:29 am)
Replying to: imidazol97 (May 13, 2009 6:13 am) Indeed this points all the more to having real policemen on the patrol to note the funny things that happen that make them suspictious so they stop a vehicle before the driver runs through a stoplight.   OK, we all drive and encounter and notice someone running a red light - not yellow - after the offense was comitted. How can anyone, including a cop, possibly predict who will run a light and stop them before the crime. If vehicle is operating within law and appears legal, stop lights working, etc, cop has no authority to pull someone over.   Also, consider efficiency. Can't possibly afford live police persons to catch all of the offenders. A combo of police and technology, with adequate controls and supervision, is most cost effective. As others have pointed out on this board, if you don't run red lights nor go more than 10 over limit, don't have to worry about photo radar. Replies to this message: vcheng (May 13, 2009 6:40 am) andres3 (May 13, 2009 1:15 pm)
#1705 of 1788 Re: Stop Signs [xrunner2] by vcheng May 13, 2009 (6:40 am)
Replying to: xrunner2 (May 13, 2009 6:29 am) As others have pointed out on this board, if you don't run red lights nor go more than 10 over limit, don't have to worry about photo radar.   It would only be fair to note the several others have also pointed out the grave constitutional issues and violations of due process that these machines raise. "Don't have to worry" is simply WRONG.
#1706 of 1788 Re: Stop Signs [imidazol97] by xrunner2 by imidazol97 May 13, 2009 (6:42 am)
But the point is that photo/redlight/radar are useless for catching real problems. Our small town must be really dumb. They use real policemen making stops for little infractions and they find all kinds of things. Often the original stop would not have been a citation-given stop. But they people with warrants, drugs, improper license plates, etc.
#1707 of 1788 Re: Stop Signs [xrunner2] by andres3 May 13, 2009 (1:11 pm)
Replying to: xrunner2 (May 13, 2009 5:45 am) Photo radar for speed and stop signs would not be necessary if there weren't those incredibly irresponsible drivers who "grossly" violated speed limits or wantonly ran through traffic control devices such as stop lights and stop signs. Blame photo radar on these folks.   I would say in order to "grossly" violate a stop sign or stop light, there would have to be another vehicle around to which you were supposed to yield to. If there isn't another vehicle around, then running the stop sign is not "really" a violation in my book, but is certainly not a GROSS violation.   I can admit I've ignored stop signs, but even at the signs I routinely ignored due to their uselessness, I still obeyed them if there was another vehicle coming from another direction and yielded the right away. I only ignore the stop sign if it IS SAFE to do so. That can never be a gross violation. SAFETY should be a forced and enforced CRITERIA of any supposed/alleged traffic violation.
#1708 of 1788 Re: Stop Signs [xrunner2] by andres3 May 13, 2009 (1:15 pm)
Replying to: xrunner2 (May 13, 2009 6:29 am) As others have pointed out on this board, if you don't run red lights nor go more than 10 over limit, don't have to worry about photo radar.   Except of course, when the human officer or photo radar malfunctions, which apparently is quite often and not unusual.   Also, officer's can make up any excuse they want to pull anyone over. They have over 40,000 excuses written into our CA vehicle code. Why do you think the California VC needs 40,000+ entries? Do you really think that's necessary, or is it something to give a cop an excuse to pull anyone over?   I'd go with the latter explanation.
#1709 of 1788 Re: Stop Signs [andres3] by dbenson62 May 14, 2009 (6:14 pm)
Replying to: andres3 (May 12, 2009 9:36 am) It is sad that people like you do NOT understand the reason for stop signs. It is to prevent accidents and people from excessive speed, safety! I can tell you first hand that people runnig stop signs and lights have killed more people than you might think. I have been involved in numerous accidents as a result of ignorant young drivers that do not respect the laws. To that I am now permanently disabled and can no longer work. Someone's stupidity destroyed my life. I certainly hope you re-think running stop signs. I am NOT a blue hair either! Sadly most of the offenders are only insured with the basic insurance and that left me disabled, numerous surgeries and in permanent pain for the rest of my life. Wake up!! It is not a game, you are not taking just your life into your hands you are taking peds, cars, homes and the list goes on. I hope you a better life than the people left me with, and they all walked away, physically and financially. Maybe if it ruined your life you would think differently. STOP means STOP!!!! Replies to this message: andres3 (May 15, 2009 9:28 am)
#1710 of 1788 Re: Stop Signs [dbenson62] by andres3 May 15, 2009 (9:28 am)
Replying to: dbenson62 (May 14, 2009 6:14 pm) Since I've never hurt nor hit anyone nor caused any at fault accidents in over 15 years of driving (heavily driving I might add), I'll consider your comments irrelevant.   I dont' run stop signs when running that stop sign would potentially cause an accident. I only do so when it is SAFE to do so, and that means no accidents.   Time has proven me right.
#1712 of 1788 Stop signs? by claires HOST May 15, 2009 (9:23 pm)
The discussion about stop signs would fit better in one of these:   Traffic Laws & Enforcement Tactics   Improving our Drivers, Roads, Speed Limits and Enforcement

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