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Re: Intelligent Speed Adaptation [fintail] by larsb
May 11, 2009 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 11, 2009 8:18 am)

A very small percentage of stop signs exist in "the middle of nowhere."
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Re: Intelligent Speed Adaptation [larsb] by steve_ HOST
May 11, 2009 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: larsb (May 11, 2009 8:34 am)

Stop signs are fuel wasters. That's one reason why you're seeing more roundabouts on the drawing boards. Either replace most of them with yield signs (that's what most people do anyway it seems) or take them down entirely (and watch the accident rate decrease).
 
I think we've covered this ground before.
 
An "adaptive" cruise control has some appeal I suppose. It also seems to be showing that the surface streets where it was tested were mostly signed with limits that are too slow.
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Re: Intelligent Speed Adaptation [fintail] by xrunner2
May 11, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 11, 2009 8:18 am)

Is it really a crime to slow down to 2mph instead of 0 at a sign in the middle of nowhere?
 
Yes. What the heck is so hard about coming to a complete stop and pause for at least a split second. Would some people claim that their time is so valuable that they want to justify breaking the law to save a few seconds in their "important" lives?
 
Those who want to cruise through stop signs at 2 or 5 mph should petition US dot and State dots to suggest changing some stop signs to maybe another shape and using words SLOW 2MPH, or SLOW 5MPH.
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Re: Intelligent Speed Adaptation [xrunner2] by fintail
May 11, 2009 (9:19 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (May 11, 2009 9:13 am)

Wastes fuel, wastes time, slows traffic...accomplishes virtually nothing.
 
But I am not surprised to see the mindset in the US, where so many are incapable of dealing with traffic circles or any kind of progressive traffic management.
 
Breaking a law is not an evil in and of itself. Some laws and some lawmakers themselves deserve to be broken.
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Re: Intelligent Speed Adaptation [larsb] by fintail
May 11, 2009 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: larsb (May 11, 2009 8:34 am)

What percentage? If you are going to act like you have data, you better be prepared to present it.
 
But many do exist in locations where they cannot be justified. What about these?
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Re: Intelligent Speed Adaptation [fintail] by larsb
May 11, 2009 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 11, 2009 9:20 am)

My response is that you protest way too much.
 
Unnecessary stop signs can be removed by going to your city council meeting.
 
Believe me: When they were put there, it was a traffic engineer making the educated decision that safety or traffic flow required a stop sign there.
 
No one EVER took a city map and randomly placed stop signs.
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Uses of ISA technology by vcheng
May 11, 2009 (9:38 am)
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Regardless of what my fellow forum members think about each item, think about all the potential uses of ISA technology:
 
Automatic speed enforcement, Road pricing per mile and time of day, lockout of certain GPS co-ordinates based on public events and national security needs, Synchronised highway travel, Automatic stopping at redlights and Stop signs...the list goes on and on.
 
The answer to all our prayers, or total disappearance of freedom to travel?
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Re: Intelligent Speed Adaptation [fintail] by larsb
May 11, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 11, 2009 9:20 am)

fintail says, "What percentage? If you are going to act like you have data, you better be prepared to present it."
 
You know that is not a measurable number.
 
But it comes from having driven about 500,000 miles in my lifetime, in many states and several foreign countries. Although since you have mentioned in previous posts that "life experience is OVERRATED," I doubt that would impress you.
 
(Let's see how you feel about that statement when you hit 45 years....)
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Re: Intelligent Speed Adaptation [larsb] by steve_ HOST
May 11, 2009 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: larsb (May 11, 2009 9:35 am)

it was a traffic engineer making the educated decision that safety or traffic flow required a stop sign there.
 
Nah, it was the lobbyist from the sign company lining the mayor's pockets.
 
The answer to all our prayers, or total disappearance of freedom to travel?
 
Yes.
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Re: Intelligent Speed Adaptation [steve_] by vcheng
May 11, 2009 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (May 11, 2009 9:48 am)

The answer to all our prayers, or total disappearance of freedom to travel?
Yes.
 
That is what I am afraid of, and I think that this "Yes" is more far-reaching than the same answer to " Tea or Coffee?" as the old joke goes.

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