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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 11:44 am) There's wasting gas and wasting time. (and save the pot shots about which one we're doing in here.  )
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 08, 2009 11:46 am) There is no other acceptable definition of that. Driving 85 uses more fuel than driving 75, and 75 uses more fuel than 65. That's wasting fuel when your car is capable of going 65 mph instead of 85 mph. Time is not an issue in that definition. I'm not disputing anyone else's definition. I missed his definition - which post was that?
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 12:04 pm) Whether it's wasted or not depends on your priorities. (post 121).
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 08, 2009 12:10 pm) If they want to get somewhere faster, leave 5 minutes earlier. I say let them drive as fast as they want - just don't let them complain when they get the Photo Radar ticket. Pay up and zip up.
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There are valid reasons to speed, like taking someone to a hospital in an emergency, etc. This topic is more about the role of Photo Radar. Isn't there another topic named "Is Speeding Morally Wrong, Illegal, Wasteful, and Stupid, Or Is It Just Me?"
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 12:13 pm) It's the American way. 
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 08, 2009 12:25 pm) |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 12:19 pm) It's just you...
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 10:51 am) "Speeding" can mean driving 55 mph on a city street posted at 35 mph. Or driving 80 mph on a two-lane country road posted at 45 mph. We are not talking about those roads. So those facts you highlighted are worthless to this discussion. Your second link - which is from a law firm website; a hardly credible source, and I say this as an attorney  - can't even get its facts straight. It contains these sentences: "The rate of traffic accident fatalities in the State of Alabama has seen an overall increase since 1998. In 2004, the number of fatales (sic) from car accidents in Alabama was 1,154 deaths as compared to a total of 42,636 throughout the United States." It talks about the "rate of traffic fatalities" but then refers to the raw number of fatalities for one year to supposedly prove its point. The raw number of fatalities and the rate of traffic fatalities are not the same thing. The fatality rate is expressed in fatalities per 100 million miles driven. Your link doesn't even bother to show the increase in the raw number of fatalities from 1998 to 2004. The numbers may very well have increased from 1998 to 2004, although we wouldn't know it from the site - given that Alabama is a growing state, there was undoubtedly an increase in both the number of vehicles, and how many miles said vehicles were driven from 1998 to 2004. That doesn't prove that speeding on limited access highways is dangerous. It may prove that more vehicles being driven more miles may result in more accidents. Maybe those facts can be found by clicking on the "Alabama Auto Accident Information Center"...except that this only takes us to the firm's attorney referral site. So, that factoid is worthless to this discussion, too. Finally, your third link proves nothing, as well, except that survey questions can be framed in a manner to get the results sought by those giving the survey. Also note that the surveyors asked about photo enforcement to combat red-light and stop-sign running, which suggests that respondents were thinking of the use of photo enforcement in urban or suburban settings, not on limited access highways. So it's not really relevant to the discussion, either. And at one time, a majority of people thought that Prohibition and the 55 mph speed limit were good ideas, too.
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Replying to: oregonboy (Jan 08, 2009 12:36 pm) I found some stats earlier about a study by NHTSA about driver's attitudes and most of them don't like speeders. And it varies widely by age. Young 'uns like to speed and don't mind other speeders and even get a thrill from speeding. As you get mature, those feelings go away for the vast majority of people. Only those with emotional immaturity or low IQs speed into middle age and older.
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