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Replying to: imidazol97 (Mar 26, 2009 1:30 pm) When a person sees a policeman speeding, they do not know for a fact if that officer is on a call of a nature that requires a fast emergency response, that calls for no lights or sirens unless absolutely necessary or unavoidable. If you cut your finger and it got gangerene, would you just cut off the finger to save the hand and arm, or would you cut off the hand or arm completely? Same type of thinking as those kinds of statements. Get real.
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Speed costs money. Safety costs money. Safe Speed costs a LOT of money. What we do as a society depends greatly on these three simple facts. So, how fast do we want to go, and how safe do we want to be while we get there? |
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Replying to: joepeterson56 (Mar 27, 2009 9:21 am) I see a lot of WSP speeding around the area where there's a popular breakfast/brunch establishment. Maybe it just has a lot of emergencies. |
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Replying to: joepeterson56 (Mar 27, 2009 9:21 am) Since it was a large SUV and doesn't have lights and siren and it was on I75 where the State Highway Patrol takes care of things (somewhat), I doubt he was on an emergency run. We were 1 miles south of the rest area so if the driver had a "call of nature" they just missed their chance. >People who make blanket statements such as this one, due a lot of diservice to a lot of law enforcement people who don't deserve that kind of abuse I'm not sure which statement you're calling "blanket." The FOP tags on the license plates should be illegal; they are only license for misuse and avoiding following the laws which apply to everyone in our state unless they're on an emergency call, and for that they have lights and sirens. I've been tailgated, passed, cut off, in the last years by too many vehicles with those convenient FOP tags, to give your criticism a consideration. Also my wife has a friend whose husband is a policeman. The wife used her "get out of jail free" card 3 times in 6 weeks when she was stopped--speeding X2 and illegal left turn out of a business driveway X1 (left turn across several lanes of traffic, controlled by warning sign in business driveway showing no left turns). >People who make blanket statements such as this one, due a lot of diservice to a lot of law enforcement people who don't deserve that kind of abuse I expect them to follow the laws in the same way I expect elected people in Columbus and DC to follow the laws. I know I'm expecting a lot from the elected folk, but for policemen it's what they agree to as part of their oath. It's real. |
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Replying to: fintail (Mar 26, 2009 7:05 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Mar 27, 2009 4:22 pm) I thought you were one of the types that loves the surveillance grid... |
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Replying to: joepeterson56 (Mar 27, 2009 9:21 am) There's a lot of talk about out of control unions...maybe law enforcement unions need to be raked over the coals and sent to the same hell the UAW is going to end up in. |
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Cameras are just the first step, soon to be superseded by this type of technology, which will almost guarantee a surveillance state in Europe. Note the selling points are supposed to be safety, congestion and emissions. Do we want this here too? from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/mar/31/surveillance-transport-communication-bo- - x Big Brother is watching: surveillance box to track drivers is backed Privacy row brewing over surveillance on the road Box could reduce accidents, pollution and congestion Paul Lewis in Brussels The Guardian, Tuesday 31 March 2009 The government is backing a project to install a "communication box" in new cars to track the whereabouts of drivers anywhere in Europe, the Guardian can reveal. Under the proposals, vehicles will emit a constant "heartbeat" revealing their location, speed and direction of travel. The EU officials behind the plan believe it will significantly reduce road accidents, congestion and carbon emissions. A consortium of manufacturers has indicated that the router device could be installed in all new cars as early as 2013. However, privacy campaigners warned last night that a European-wide car tracking system would create a system of almost total road surveillance. Details of the Cooperative Vehicle-Infrastructure Systems (CVIS) project, a £36m EU initiative backed by car manufacturers and the telecoms industry, will be unveiled this year. But the Guardian has been given unpublished documents detailing the proposed uses for the system. They confirm that it could have profound implications for privacy, enabling cars to be tracked to within a metre - more accurate than current satellite navigation technologies. The European commission has asked governments to reserve radio frequency on the 5.9 Gigahertz band, essentially setting aside a universal frequency on which CVIS technology will work. The Department for Transport said there were no current plans to make installation of the technology mandatory. However, those involved in the project describe the UK as one of the main "state backers". Transport for London has also hosted trials of the technology. The European Data Protection Supervisor will make a formal announcement on the privacy implications of CVIS technology soon. But in a recent speech he said the technology would have "great impact on rights to privacy and data". Paul Kompfner, who manages CVIS, said governments would have to decide on privacy safeguards. "It is time to start a debate ... so the right legal and privacy framework can be put in place before the technology reaches the market," he said. The system allows cars to "talk" to one another and the road. A "communication box" behind the dashboard ensures that cars send out "heartbeat" messages every 500 milliseconds through mobile cellular and wireless local area networks, short-range microwave or infrared. The messages will be picked up by other cars in the vicinity, allowing vehicles to warn each other if they are forced to break hard or swerve to avoid a hazard. The data is also picked up by detectors at the roadside and mobile phone towers. That enables the road to communicate with cars, allowing for "intelligent" traffic lights to turn green when cars are approaching or gantries on the motorway to announce changes to speed limits. Data will also be sent to "control centres" that manage traffic, enabling a vastly improved system to monitor and even direct vehicles. "A traffic controller will know where all vehicles are and even where they are headed," said Kompfner. "That would result in a significant reduction in congestion and replace the need for cameras." Although the plan is to initially introduce the technology on a voluntary basis, Kompfner conceded that for the system to work it would need widespread uptake. He envisages governments making the technology mandatory for safety reasons.Any system that tracks cars could also be used for speed enforcement or national road tolling. Roads in the UK are already subject to the closest surveillance of any in the world. Police control a database that is fed information from automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras, and are able to deduce the journeys of as many as 10 million drivers a day. Details are stored for up to five years. However, the government has been told that ANPR speed camera technology is "inherently limited" with "numerous shortcomings". Advice to ministers obtained by the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act advocates upgrading to a more effective car tracking-based system, similar to CVIS technology, but warns such a system could be seen as a "spy in the cab" and "may be regarded as draconian". Introducing a more benign technology first, the report by transport consultants argues, would "enable potential adverse public reaction to be better managed". Simon Davies, director of the watchdog Privacy International, said: "The problem is not what the data tells the state, but what happens with interlocking information it already has. If you correlate car tracking data with mobile phone data, which can also track people, there is the potential for an almost infallible surveillance system."
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While I agree with your sentiments about Brussels (beautiful city by the way, go to Boucherie Street for dinner if you ever get the chance), I am far more worried about the power hungry politicians in cahoots with special interests in Washington and State Capitols, and their trying to get this system up and running over here, all in the name of safety for the sheeple to digest. Step 1 in terms of desensitizing the populace with cameras everywhere is already well under way.
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