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And on your "it's only LOGICAL since the cops do it" statement. Start telling all your friends to try that tactic next time they are in speed court. Judge: "So you were ticketed 79 in a 65 mph zone, sir, is that correct?" LawBreaker: "Yes, your honor." Judge: "And you have a valid reason for your excessive speed?" LawBreaker: "Yes sir. About five minutes before I got stopped, I was driving beside a Sheriff's car and that car was going the same speed. So from that, I LOGICALLY DEDUCED that driving that fast MUST be OK." Judge: "Fine is $180, pay the clerk on your way out. Next case please." |
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Why do police get those little tags to put on their license plates so other officers know not to stop them. Or they have a little "get out of jail free" card to show that their spouse, son, father, is a policeman. I was in a 55 mph construction zone. A large SUV went ripping by (I was going 65) at 70+. Had an FOP tag. Guess who wouldn't get stopped. Ohio also is considering putting the money maker kickback cameras in construction zones. Those camera companies are making more money than Obama before innauguration day. |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Mar 26, 2009 1:30 pm) Still does not make it right. Still does not mean that driving faster is safer. |
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Replying to: larsb (Mar 24, 2009 11:41 am) I won't stay in Ventura CA anymore because of the corrupt CHP and worse, their county courts in that county. I won't buy a car in Escondido, CA, because I won't buy anything there because I won't go there to do my shopping anymore after learning of their red light cameras!!! The only thing I have left to do is to write all the business owner's of Escondido that they lost one good customer for life until they get rid of the unconstitutional cameras. |
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Replying to: larsb (Mar 24, 2009 1:37 pm) They don't leave it up to you to decide who's speeding. If they are going faster than you are, you are to move over to the right. You are to allow faster vehicles to pass on the left. You are not to impede faster traffic. No where is is written anywhere that you are to not impede traffic, UNLESS you are at or going over the speed limit already. |
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Replying to: larsb (Mar 24, 2009 2:26 pm) In order for that statement to have any value, you'd have to prove that all people convicted of vehicular manslaughter were speeders, and furthermore, that they were speeding when they committed the more serious crime. Obviously, that could never be proven because you can kill with a vehicle easily without having to speed. |
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Replying to: larsb (Mar 26, 2009 12:13 pm) I could drive 1,000 Miles per HOUR in a 10,000 HP car and still not kill anyone. I would say that driver's that cause COLLISIONS could potentially kill. But speed does not cause collisions. Two objects occupying the same space at that same time does. Oh, and I"m glad you admit to being taught wrongly and incorrectly. Obeying the law is not always the right thing to do. If we pass a law legalizing murder in AZ, would you go out and do it? |
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Replying to: andres3 (Mar 26, 2009 4:48 pm) ...but it sure can make money with cameras and doesn't even require an officer be present. |
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Would we really want to blindly trust this type of technology in our country? I don't think so! from: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/27/2729.asp France, UK: Parked Cars Receive Speed Camera Tickets While Germany claims its speed cameras are flawless, innocent motorists receive automated tickets in Arizona, France and the UK. While officials in Europe and the United States insist that "the camera never lies," motorists around the world are receiving automated tickets for crimes that they did not commit. In Liverpool, England, for example, a speed camera accused the Fiat Punto belonging to Emily Davies, 19, of hurtling down Edge Lane Drive at 37 MPH on March 10 at precisely 10:22pm, exceeding the road's 30 MPH limit. Confused, Davies asked to see the photograph of her alleged offense. The Merseyside Speed Camera Partnership, hoping she would just pay the £60 (US $87) fine, insisted she would have to go to court to see it. Upon later review, the photograph showed the Ford parked outside the Davies family home, which is located in view of a speed camera. Although Merseyside officials eventually apologized, Davies first had to go through quite a bit of hassle. "When I first disputed the claim, I was told that mistakes are never made," Davies told London's Daily Mail newspaper. "That's just not true. If this has happened to me, it must be happening to other people. It's a waste of time and money and things should be changed." It is happening to other people in Laval, France. There, motorist Delphine Joubert has likewise been victimized by three times by a speed camera located outside of her home. In each case, her car is visible in the ticket photographs -- parked, with nobody behind the wheel. "We must always justify ourselves, writing letters" Joubert told Agence France Presse. "I have other things to do. It's harassment." Another resident in the same building complained of receiving twelve speed camera tickets while parked. Despite the pleas of residents, French officials have shown no interest in investigating the speed camera problems. In Mannheim, Germany it took a January 21 court ruling for officials to investigate questions regarding the accuracy of Poliscan brand speed cameras. The city hired the private firm Dekra to write a report on the speed camera program. As part of a package of information released this week about the program, Dekra found the automated ticketing machines to be "flawless." "In the opinion of experts, there have been no references to incorrect measurements," a press release boasted. "Thus one can infer the proper operation of the present speed measuring systems." Even flawless machinery is subject to the human error of the for-profit firms that operate photo radar in the US. The issue has become so serious in Arizona that Judge Gerald A. Williams, North Valley Justice of the Peace, published an article calling the photo radar program "an extraordinarily bad idea" that the legislature needs to fix. "At North Valley, part of the problem was due to highway signs, or the lack thereof," Judge Williams wrote. "For a significant period of time, people received tickets for going 66 or 67 in a 55 MPH zone. The problem was that the temporary 55 MPH sign was often after the camera. As such, we have had hundreds of hearing requests. Thus far, drivers in this category have almost always been found not responsible at their hearing." |
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Replying to: larsb (Mar 25, 2009 11:28 am) |
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