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Replying to: xrunner2 (Mar 10, 2009 11:15 am) It you're comparing it to some of the health proposals I've heard it should go something like this: "Our government "Guidance" SUGGESTS that since you are old you should go home and die instead of driving around shopping. Save the gas for the younger shoppers who will have longer to enjoy their purchases." 
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Traffic accidents and fatalities on the rise since the installation of cameras for traffic enforcment. No surprise there. Camera's make mediocre drivers go crazy and drive terribly. Photo RADAR does NOT improve safety one iota. Photo Red Light intersections are an accident waiting to happen.
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Mar 10, 2009 3:05 pm) Photo radar is a nothing in the scheme of things that is coming in our world. It is just a blip. In years to come and with gps monitoring our every move, drivers will wish for the good old days of only photo radar. How simple was that. Only had to stay 9 under the posted limit. Any dummy could do that. Now is the time to stand up for State controlled and properly executed photo radar to catch the scofflaws. No need to take this national and in a national data base. Law-abiding drivers should write their governors and show their suppport for photo radar and its goal of punishing law-breaking speeders.
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Replying to: andres3 (Mar 10, 2009 4:42 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Mar 10, 2009 4:59 pm) Photo radar is an asinine and illogical way to manage traffic laws, and is an easy piece in a puzzle of a repressive Orwellian surveillance grid. Nothing more. "State controlled" and "properly executed" are mutually exclusive. Just stay in the right lane, and all will be well. |
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Mar 10, 2009 5:07 pm) |
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One tidbit of interest: "Officials say the cameras monitor intersections around the clock and keep police and the public safe. A traffic enforcement officer often would have to cross the red light, too, to catch a violator, putting the officer and other drivers in even more danger, Capt. McLain said." Cameras record 1,000 violations at Cleveland lights (Chattanooga Times Free Press)
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Here one even better at 12,000 Australian dollars an hour fine rate. Egads, the whole population must be berserk! We MUST step up photo enforcement to ensure public safety! (Making the intersection safer by proper traffic engineering would of course be even BETTER, but where's the money in THAT?)  Of course that has to be the rationale to build up the infrastructure which will then of course be used to lay the foundation of the surveillance society. What does it say when a process criminalizes even increasing sections of a generally law-abiding population? Please note the tidbit at the end about how the driver of the deputy premier took the fall for his boss. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25059317-5010760,00.html Gold Coast speed camera racks up $12,000 an hour Patrick Lion February 15, 2009 11:00pm QUEENSLAND'S busiest speed camera is netting the State Government almost $12,000 an hour as motorists are slapped with a fine every 40 seconds. The Courier-Mail can reveal the "rat run" on a Gold Coast street caught 90 motorists an hour last year – almost double the strike rate of the next busiest camera. Queensland police figures showing the top 20 camera sites during 2007-08 also are set to reignite the debate over whether a proposal to advertise mobile camera locations should be implemented. The camera in Wardoo St, Southport, was in use for only 43 hours and netted about $506,000, according to calculations based on average breaches before a 33 per cent hike in fines on January 1. But well-known sites such as the state's most-used location, outside a KFC outlet on Kelvin Grove Rd, in Brisbane's inner north, collected only $418,000 over 670 hours. Motorists were so aware of the virtually advertised camera it detected only four motorists an hour for $626 average revenue, a similar rate to the three fixed cameras. Police Minister Judy Spence yesterday defended the Wardoo St jackpot, saying its selection was based on factors including crash data, complaints about speeding and police knowledge – as were all sites. "Revenue raising is never a consideration when choosing sites," she said. "This street is known as a 'rat run' by drivers on the Gold Coast and the large number of detections is a result of this traffic volume." The figures show that the state's second-busiest camera, on the Pacific Motorway at Daisy Hill, caught drivers at a rate of 51 motorists an hour. The Gateway Motorway, at Eagle Farm, notched 48 detections an hour. RACQ spokesman Gary Fites yesterday said the Kelvin Grove Rd camera seemed "to be a pretty successful site in terms of modifying behaviour". The State Government will commission another six fixed speed camera sites this year with initial reports suggesting two each on the Gold and Sunshine coasts, one in Toowoomba and one in Ipswich. Red-lights snap for cash THE list of Queensland's busiest red-light cameras gives an insight into how the State Government positions its limited number of cameras. The traffic lights at the intersection of Ipswich Rd and Cornwall St, at Annerley on Brisbane's southside, had the highest rate of detections during 2007-08. They recorded almost double the second-busiest site with 18.1 detections a day. The Government has only 34 cameras to alternate between 136 camera box locations across the state. Motorists are normally unaware which red light cameras are in use. Figures suggest the camera locations with the highest recordings are more likely to be used more often. The second-busiest camera was located at the intersection of Lutwyche Rd and Bradshaw St, at Lutwyche, on the northside. It averaged 10.4 detections a day. Police Minister Judy Spence yesterday attributed the high detection rate on Ipswich Rd to heavy traffic volume. "A red-light camera will only be installed at an intersection that has a history of crashes directly related to drivers disobeying traffic signals," Ms Spence said. "There can be other physical aspects at an intersection where crashes occur that may mean a red light camera cannot be installed." The limousine of Deputy Premier Paul Lucas was snapped at the Ipswich Rd intersection when he was transport minister. His chauffeur paid the fine but Mr Lucas later admitted he may have been driving the vehicle at the time of the offence. |
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By God, those Brits must all drive like lunatics! Look at the fines! We need more cameras to step UP enforcement! ! What was that saying about self-fulfilling prophecies? Nevermind that such a rate of violation may mean the need for better road engineering and a traffic survey to determine the 85th percentile speed, but wher'e the money in THAT? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1564745/Top-100-speed-cameras-fine-driver- - - s-18m.html Top 100 speed cameras fine drivers £18m Last Updated: 2:26AM BST 02 Oct 2007 The country's most "flash-happy" speed cameras have been revealed, with the top 100 last year responsible for dishing out a million penalty points. A survey has found these cameras alone brought in more than £18 million in the past 12 months - with one of them snaring a speeding driver every two minutes. The investigation, using Freedom of Information laws, has revealed for the first time how the yellow and grey Gatso cameras have caught so many drivers - and exactly where the busiest cameras are sited. The rural county of Wiltshire was the place that speeding motorists should fear most. In just one year, its top 10 cameras issued 42,417 fixed penalty notices between them, amounting to £2.5 million in fines and some 127,000 penalty points. Each penalty sees drivers fined £60 - plus three penalty points. A 30-mile stretch of the A303 across Salisbury Plain is included four times in the county's top 10 cameras. Paul Smith, the founder of driving campaign site Safespeed.org.uk, said: "These 100 sites will convince the public that speed cameras are only about money and never about safety. Drivers know - as if by instinct - that speed cameras don't help them drive more safely." In all, the top 100 sites in the study issued 312,995 fixed penalties in one year - more than £18 million in total. The UK is now watched by more than 6,000 fixed and mobile cameras, which the Department for Transport says have cut the number of deaths and serious injuries on the road. However, the DfT is now re-evaluating how it calculates these statistics. Overall, 21 Safety Camera Partnerships provided a complete response to the request. Camera hotspots These are the areas of England and Wales with the highest total of fixed penalty notices from their 10 busiest sites, with the number of fixed penalty notices. 1 Wiltshire 42,417 2 Essex 35,859 3 South Wales 35,213 4 Leicestershire 32,549 5 Gtr Manchester 29,805 6 London 28,621 7 Lancashire 28,467 8 Northumbria 27,851 9 West Mercia 27,423 10 Cheshire 24,790 |
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Replying to: steve_ (Mar 10, 2009 7:41 pm) |
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