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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 08, 2009 9:27 am) Amen Bro !! |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 8:58 am) And yet even the "research" you linked to supports it. I would suggest that you take the time to check the latest figures for fatalities per 100 million miles driven in the U.S. Given that it is at a record low, and that people are driving faster than ever on limited access highways, the facts suggest that exceeding the speed limit on limited access highways is not dangerous, and traffic safety efforts are better aimed elsewhere. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 9:00 am) Prohibition and the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 were the law, too. You'll have to come up with a better argument than that one to convince more sophisticated, better informed drivers of your position. You aren't going to convince anyone who has actually thought about this issue beyond the "speeding is bad, duh!" mentality. larsb: Driving at 75 versus 65 wastes fuel in EVERY SITUATION. Nonsense. I waste fuel if I pour it on the ground after buying it. If I've decided that I'd rather enjoy the safety, convenience and pleasure that come with driving faster on a limited access highway, that is not "wasting" fuel. That's called deciding that it's worth it to use the extra fuel to go faster. If you want to boost your credibility in this discussion, I'd suggest you start by learning the difference between your opinion and fact. Here's lesson one - it's your opinion that driving faster always wastes fuel. Not everyone shares this opinion, and it doesn't make them wrong. |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 9:01 am) A trooper in a secluded location with a radar gun, now THAT's hidden !!! I said that the tax increase would be hidden, NOT the photo radar. Reading comprehension can be your friend...
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grbeck says, "If you want to boost your credibility in this discussion, I'd suggest you start by learning the difference between your opinion and fact. Here's lesson one - it's your opinion that driving faster always wastes fuel. Not everyone shares this opinion, and it doesn't make them wrong. " So far, you are the only person here doubting my cred, which if you knew me would be ridiculous to doubt. I laugh loudly at your doubt of my cred. Driving faster wastes fuel, and it's NOT an opinion young man. Don't irritate me to the point where I have to start spouting statistics. I've got better beans to re-fry. Don't say anything else about it. You are flat wrong - couldn't be more wrong. ( I'm not going to challenge your "cred" because young guys like you are allowed to be wrong now and again. It's a learning process for you. )
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Replying to: andys120 (Dec 16, 2008 1:49 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 08, 2009 10:04 am) |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 9:03 am) You really do need to get out more so that you have a more sophisticated understanding of this issue. Many people drive 80-85 mph on limited access highways. It's perfectly safe. In fact, this past summer, I drove on a round trip from Las Vegas, Nevada, to Albuquerque, New Mexico, stopping at the Grand Canyon and the Painted Desert along the way back from New Mexico. So we spent considerable time driving in Arizona - your home state. We drove 80 mph most of the way on the limited access highways, and were still passed by a fair number of people. I guess in your world, something like 80 percent of the driving population are "speed freaks" because they drive faster than 80 mph. larsb: You are acting as if 100 years of automobile usage has taught us that SPEED DOES NOT KILL when it's in reality just the opposite !!! Uh, no, check out the safety statistics since the automobile came into common use and the government began compiling annual traffic fatality stastitics. Our roads are safer than ever, even as people are driving faster than ever. And limited access highways are among our safest roads, even with the highest speeds. So, the reality is the opposite of what you are saying. Really, you should not be wasting time posting on Edmunds.com. With your ability to pick a position, and insist that the entire world should share it, and then ignore the facts and continue to insist that said position is the right one, you should be heading the product planning or marketing department of General Motors. You could make good money, and when everything is on the verge of collapse, you could then journey to Washington, D.C. and get a big fat bailout because nothing was your fault... |
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 08, 2009 10:11 am) And I must say it again, these photo cash grabs seem to have pretty wide loopholes...just lie your way out of it. Telling a tale to a bunch of liars, cowards, and thieves isn't a sin, right? 
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 08, 2009 10:16 am) I've been an adult for 27 years, and am an owner of two college degrees. Spent 6 years in the Marine Corps. Make my living with my brain. I'm not saying 80-85 is unsafe. I said it's less safe than 70-75 mpg, and if you are unable to grasp the truth of that statement, then I feel for you. If you are unable to grasp the fact that more damage is done to human tissue in a higher speed wreck than in a lower speed wreck, then again, I feel for you. I'm finished discussing it with you, because it's obvious that only life experience will convince you of the error of your position. You get the last word. I'm man enough to let you have it. I'll not comment further on the issue with you. |
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