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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 12:08 pm) Since safety and speed are not correlated in any reputable study, I for one, find that speed limit laws are put in place to justify Highway Patrol Officers' jobs and make money for corrupt governments and officials. Most speed limits in CA fall under the basic speed law which is Prima Facie? Therefore they are just guidelines, or recommendations and suggestions of speed for the road. Reasonable speeds always apply due to conditions. The only absolute speed limit law is the Maximum speed limit law (separate Vehicle Code). So as far as I'm concerned, only maximum speed limit signs are anything more than 2 numbers on an aluminum sign, and even then, since they are usually set ridiculously low, I pay no attention to them. |
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Replying to: andres3 (Feb 25, 2009 1:14 pm) And darn the dead woman speeder. All her whining husband should have done was pay the ticket. why fight it the camera is never wrong. |
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 12:47 pm) Speed doesn't kill and that is REALITY. It is the REALITY based on PHYSICS and SCIENCE. I can drive my car around 100 MPH all day and not be killed. You could drive around at 55 MPH and rearend a big rig and be killed. It's the impact/collision (two objects occupying the same space at the same time impossibility) that kills. I have sped on numerous occasions, but I have not caused an accident, let alone killed myself.... 
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 1:20 pm) Run your car 25 mph into a pole, no seatbelt. Run your car 75 mph into said pole, no seatbelt. Which one would damage your body the most? To refute that argument, try these tests: Run your car 35 MPH into a lightpole with seat belt. Run your car 120 MPH through the air and atmosphere, no seat belt. Which one would damage your body the most? Conclusion: Speed is irrelevant. |
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Replying to: andres3 (Feb 25, 2009 1:42 pm) This really is not a "Does Speed Kill or Doesn't It?" forum though.
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 25, 2009 1:56 pm) You are saying if A then B, follows C. A = speed B = wreck C = death However, studies show that as A increases B actually reduces, which of course reduces C. Therefore, I'm not following your logic of equating A with C. I don't see the correlation between speed and wrecks. I don't see the correlation between speed and deaths. There is a correlation between wrecks and death though, but speed does not cause wrecks. |
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andres2 says, "... but speed does not cause wrecks." OH, yes it does my young amigo.............  Two local teenagers were killed in a single-vehicle accident on Meetze Road Wednesday night, according to state police. Virginia State Police Sgt. Les Tyler said the wreck occurred just east of Turkey Run Road at approximately 9:40 p.m. Brian Michael Jacobsen, 17, of Nokesville was driving a 2005 Ford Taurus eastbound on Meetze Road when he entered a sharp right hand curve. The vehicle went off the left side of the road and Jacobsen over-corrected, Tyler said. The Taurus then went off the road to the right where it struck an embankment, struck a tree and overturned, the sergeant added. Jacobsen and a passenger, Eric Richard Unger, 18, of Warrenton, both died at the scene from injuries sustained in the wreck, Tyler said. Both teens were reportedly wearing their seatbelts. However, Tyler said the speed limit in the area is 50 mph, and the “maximum safe speed” entering the curve is 45 mph. “We feel excessive speed is the main causative factor [in the accident],” Tyler said. The accident occurred in the middle of National Teen Driver Safety Week. State police reported that five Virginia teens were killed in motor vehicle crashes between Oct. 19-21. The fatalities occurred in Loudoun, Amherst, Augusta, Gloucester and Lee counties. Those killed included a 15-year-old passenger; a 16-year-old driver; two 17-year-old drivers; and an 18-year-old passenger. Seatbelts were not used in three of the fatal crashes prior to the Meetze Road incident, and it is undetermined if they were used in the fourth, police said. Speed was a factor in two of the crashes and alcohol was a cause of one collision. Has those boys not been speeding, they would not have had the fatal wreck. But again, this is not a "speed kills" forum. Any photo radar-related comments?
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 25, 2009 2:23 pm) First, nowhere in that story does it state what speed they think the teenagers were going when the accident ocurred. I only see that 50 was the speed limit and the speed limit for the turn was 45. Second, they were driving a domestic company vehicle called the Taurus. Educated drivers know that the BIG 3 are known for making cars that can't handle well, especially on curves. Thrid, it's possible they were driving WAY OVER the speed limit and more importantly, an UNREASONABLE UNSAFE speed, which means the main causation factor of the accident is negligence and reckless driving, not speed. Fourth, it states he over corrected on the turn, which is a driver error and appears to have worsened the accidents results. Had he not overcorrected and made a driving error, the possible excessive speed (caused by reckless negligence) might have been a minor accident with no injuries. I'm not advocating people drive unsafe speeds. I'm advocating that everyone drive at safe speeds, but as fast as possible, while maintaining reasonability and maximum safety to AVOID accidents in the first place. What are Montana's NO SPEED LIMITS STATE accident records? In a really old Civic, my own personal speed limit (which is reasonable and safe) would be about 80 MPH, even in Montana. In a 911 Turbo, I'd probably set a higher reasonable and safe speed limit for straight-aways and low traffic areas. Heck, the 911 can probably stop from 100 MPH in the same distance that old Civic could from 60! |
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Replying to: andres3 (Feb 25, 2009 2:41 pm) Would those boys be alive if they had been driving 45 mph? The answer will enlighten you on the death part of "speed kills."
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