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Replying to: andys120 (Feb 25, 2009 10:40 am) 
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 6:21 am) If that was required in the US to get a driver's license, then accidents probably would be NEARLY eliminated, although you can never get rid of 100% of accidents. However, I think a vast majority of the accidents that happen today would no longer happen because it is a fact that the worst drivers on the road cause the most accidents, and of course, a majority of all accidents. I think that woudl be a good thing to potentially reduce accidents by 99% with a 24 month course where you either pass some strict criteria or you fail! Driving should not be a right, but a privilege you earn. That being said, although a higher speed accident is potentially more severe, those same higher speeds which help to improve traffic flow and reduce the amount of accidents, lowers my chances of ever having one in the first place. I'd rather have NO accident than one at 55 MPH. Also, why don't we just design our airplanes and trains to move at 10 MPH so that when they crash it is less fatal? The slower speed limits for safety argument is bogus when compared to lossed productivity and potential for reducing accidents all together. The cost of my time is greater than the extra 1 MPG you get going slower than me.
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Replying to: andres3 (Feb 25, 2009 1:00 pm) Speed laws must be compromised with the successful and completed movement of goods, services, and people. No one in their right mind should want 10 mph speed limits or 100 mph speed limits. Happy Medium.... |
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Replying to: vcheng (Feb 24, 2009 8:01 am) So what happens when these speed controlling devices that force my vehicle to not exceed the speed limit causes me to be murdered and die? Example: Osama Bin Laden is driving a BIG RIG truck at 100 MPH and is barreling down the road in my rearview mirror towards me. In a hurry he's getting ready to commit another terrorist act by running over a bunch of people in cars on the freeway. He's coming after me and I'm next on his list, he's gaining on me and I need to speed up to avoid this fate he's got planned for me since I"m in one of those speed limited device controlled vehicles. I push on the gas to get away, but nothing happens. I get run over and suffer fatal trauma and injuries. This could have all been avoided in today's current vehicles which can easily out run a potential threat such as this. I will instruct my surviving family to sue every politician who voted for such a ridiculously bad idea in the future for my life which was lost due to such negligent thinking. There are a million scenarios where going over the speed limit is a SAFETY requirement! Sometimes, the right manuever to avoid a crash is to hit the gas, not the brakes! |
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 10:17 am) 2. A mailman hands you a letter which contains a photo radar ticket that is a court summons. It is not the same result and process and you contend. If my friend is driving my car, then the mailman is handing me a summons to court, whereas in option #1 my friend is getting the ticket and going to court. It is not fair for me to be summoned to court for my friend's ticket which should have gone to him directly. It is NOT due process, and frankly, I should be able to sue the City for $1,000 for my wasted time.
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 12:08 pm) Since safety and speed are not correlated in any reputable study, I for one, find that speed limit laws are put in place to justify Highway Patrol Officers' jobs and make money for corrupt governments and officials. Most speed limits in CA fall under the basic speed law which is Prima Facie? Therefore they are just guidelines, or recommendations and suggestions of speed for the road. Reasonable speeds always apply due to conditions. The only absolute speed limit law is the Maximum speed limit law (separate Vehicle Code). So as far as I'm concerned, only maximum speed limit signs are anything more than 2 numbers on an aluminum sign, and even then, since they are usually set ridiculously low, I pay no attention to them. |
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Replying to: andres3 (Feb 25, 2009 1:14 pm) And darn the dead woman speeder. All her whining husband should have done was pay the ticket. why fight it the camera is never wrong. |
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 12:47 pm) Speed doesn't kill and that is REALITY. It is the REALITY based on PHYSICS and SCIENCE. I can drive my car around 100 MPH all day and not be killed. You could drive around at 55 MPH and rearend a big rig and be killed. It's the impact/collision (two objects occupying the same space at the same time impossibility) that kills. I have sped on numerous occasions, but I have not caused an accident, let alone killed myself.... 
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 1:20 pm) Run your car 25 mph into a pole, no seatbelt. Run your car 75 mph into said pole, no seatbelt. Which one would damage your body the most? To refute that argument, try these tests: Run your car 35 MPH into a lightpole with seat belt. Run your car 120 MPH through the air and atmosphere, no seat belt. Which one would damage your body the most? Conclusion: Speed is irrelevant. |
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Replying to: andres3 (Feb 25, 2009 1:42 pm) This really is not a "Does Speed Kill or Doesn't It?" forum though.
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