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Replying to: larsb (Jan 07, 2009 1:03 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Jan 07, 2009 5:55 pm) I am a part of the leadership of this country, as are you. Neither you nor I would ever allow the "worst" of the Orwellian paranoia scenarios to take place. The problem is, Photo Radar is not Orwellian in any estimation, IMHO. What photo radar merely is: an automated tool to help the police catch and punish speeders. Which is something that EVERY ordinary American SHOULD want. That's right - I'm reminding you that we all should want people to drive slower, waste less fuel, and reduce road rage incidents. And in Phoenix, cameras are not a "hidden tax increase." They are a speeders tax, just as tobacco taxes are paid by tobacco users, gasoline taxes are paid by gasoline users, and homeowners taxes are paid by homeowners. If you don't want to pay the "speeders tax" then don't drive 11+ MPH over the speed limit. If you DO want to drive that fast, then you can pay the "tax" for it.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 6:31 am) If exceeding the speed limit on a limited access highways were dangerous, you'd have a point, but since it isn't, you don't. larsb: That's right - I'm reminding you that we all should want people to drive slower, waste less fuel, and reduce road rage incidents. And, I'm reminding you again that not everyone wants to drive "slower;" driving at higher speeds is not a waste of fuel for most people (otherwise they wouldn't do it); and there is no proof that driving slower reduces road rage. If you really want to reduce road rage, I'd suggest that you stop driving 55 mph when every one else is driving 75 mph...  larsb: And in Phoenix, cameras are not a "hidden tax increase." They are a speeders tax, just as tobacco taxes are paid by tobacco users, gasoline taxes are paid by gasoline users, and homeowners taxes are paid by homeowners. If you set speed limits too low, and then use automated technology to raise revenue from said drivers, this is a hidden tax increase. larsb: If you don't want to pay the "speeders tax" then don't drive 11+ MPH over the speed limit. If you DO want to drive that fast, then you can pay the "tax" for it. No, the solution is to set speed limits at realistic levels, and ignore those who think that driving 80 mph on a limited access highway is somehow dangerous, and should therefore be "taxed."
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grbeck says, "If exceeding the speed limit on a limited access highways were dangerous" That's a completely unreasonable stance.
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Replying to: grbeck (Jan 08, 2009 8:54 am) Regardless if you "want to drive slower" that's the frickin LAW and you should not disobey it. Driving at 75 versus 65 wastes fuel in EVERY SITUATION.
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grbeck says, "If you set speed limits too low, and then use automated technology to raise revenue from said drivers, this is a hidden tax increase. " It's not HIDDEN !!!! There are warning signs "Photo radar enforcement zone" !!!!! A trooper in a secluded location with a radar gun, now THAT's hidden !!!
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grbeck says, "No, the solution is to set speed limits at realistic levels, and ignore those who think that driving 80 mph on a limited access highway is somehow dangerous, and should therefore be "taxed."" What are you, some kind of speed freak? You are acting as if 100 years of automobile usage has taught us that SPEED DOES NOT KILL when it's in reality just the opposite !!!
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Replying to: andys120 (Dec 16, 2008 10:54 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 08, 2009 9:27 am) Amen Bro !! |
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 08, 2009 8:58 am) And yet even the "research" you linked to supports it. I would suggest that you take the time to check the latest figures for fatalities per 100 million miles driven in the U.S. Given that it is at a record low, and that people are driving faster than ever on limited access highways, the facts suggest that exceeding the speed limit on limited access highways is not dangerous, and traffic safety efforts are better aimed elsewhere. |
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