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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 1:20 pm) Running cars into poles is more in the tradition of irrelevant red herrings. |
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 1:16 pm) You law-lovers who don't like to turn on your own brains simply say "leave early" and go slower, you should then be able to leave a little earlier, go 40, and be safe, yes? Just think of all the lives and money saved. Leave earlier. "Getting transportation accomplished"....do you work for a city or state government?
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 1:23 pm) Just keep your slowpoke self in the right lane where you belong. |
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Replying to: fintail (Feb 24, 2009 1:29 pm) It can be YOU. Form a political action group called "People Enraged About Outdated And Unreasonably Modest And Senseless Speeds Limits" (you can call it PEAOAUMASSL) and go to your state legislature and present to them a plan for raising speed limits while maintaining safety. I'm sure since this has never been done before you can become quite famous and rich and a hero to the Photo Radar Haters League Of Americans (PRHLOA).
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 1:41 pm) It's not what a person knows that lets them excel in that venue. Dumb down blindly followed "laws" for a dumbed down new world order globalized population.
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Replying to: fintail (Feb 24, 2009 2:03 pm) Get yourself a PAC and go tell Congress how outdated their speed limit system is.
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 24, 2009 2:24 pm)
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Three or four states and an judge in Arizona agreeing that Photo Radar is unconstitutional. And they say why it is unconstitutional. Contrary to what was said there is a absolute difference between getting a ticket, summons, from an officer and one in the mail. It is as clear as it can be. If an officer gives it to me I must have been there to get the ticket so I was at the very least in the car. If it comes in the mail I can get a ticket or summons even if I wasn't in the country. Because the ticket is issued to the car not the driver. That is how it works. The one for the officer is confirmed on the spot the one in the mail isn't. With that obvious distinction how can anyone not see the difference? It is for that very reason Iowa and Texas has a camera ban. |
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Replying to: fintail (Feb 24, 2009 4:10 pm) If you don't vote, you don't have a say in who runs the joint. Vote, and you do.
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Since we seem to be off the main thrust of the forum for a while now, I just wanted to indicate the levels of training required before getting a driver's license in Germany, the land of the autobahn. I would think that it would be prudent to pay attentions to the basics of driver training at a much higher level before one can even argue that higher speed limits would be appropriate in our land with the very easy driver's testing and licencing procedures. from: http://www.drivers.com/article/380/ Driving instruction in Germany· By: Deutsche Fahrlehrer-Akademie E.V. Date: 1995-09-09 Driving instruction in Germany has gone through a process of constant improvement over a period of many decades, as can be seen from a few important milestones: Compulsory driving licences were introduced throughout the German Reich by the Law on Motor Vehicle Traffic of May 3, 1909 and the Ordinance on Motor Vehicle Traffic of Feb. 3, 1910. An Ordinance on the Training of Motor Vehicle Drivers passed on Mar. 1, 1921 provided the basis for the creation of the profession of "Driving Instructor", compulsory licensing of instructors and driving schools, and detailed requirements regarding the instruction given to learner drivers. In 1957, the requirements concerning driving instructors, driving schools and the equipping of driving schools were redefined in an Ordinance on Driving Instructors for Motor Vehicle Traffic of July 23. On Aug. 25, 1969, the Law on driving Instruction for the first time regulated the professional and specialists skills required of the owners of driving schools and driving instructors themselves. Three more ordinances served to further improve the situation: the Ordinance on the Instruction of Learner Drivers of May 31, 1976 covered theoretical and practical instruction of learner drivers, the Ordinance on the Training of Driving Instructors of May 13, 1977 laid down the nature and contents of driving instructor training, and the Ordinance on the Examination of driving Instructors of July 27, 1979 covered the testing of driving instructors. Finally, on May 13, 1986, the probationary driving licence was introduced, the retraining of vehicle drivers who have infringed traffic regulations during the probationary period was put in the hands of licensed driving instructors, and driving instruction by lay persons was prohibited. Basic requirements for instructors The central figure in professional driving instruction in Germany is, of course, the driving instructor. For this reason, all those wishing to become instructors have to fulfill certain basic requirements: they must be at least 23 years of age, be suited to the profession intellectually, physically and in terms of personality, have undergone basic secondary school education followed by vocational training in a recognized subject, be in possession of a driving licence for all classes of vehicle, and have sufficient experience driving vehicles in the class for which they wish to become instructors. Training must take place in an officially recognized training establishment for driving instructors. Candidates must demonstrate their subject expertise by taking an examination. Training last between five (minimum) and eight (maximum) months, irrespective of the class of vehicle for which the trainee wishes to become an instructor. The entire training must consists of whole-day uninterrupted courses of instruction. The content of the training is laid down in the curriculum, which describes the subject areas and number of hours instruction required. A minimum of 700 hours' instruction are required for Class 3 (BE) at least 280 for Class 2 (CE) and at least 140 for Class 1 (A). The following subject areas are covered: principles of pedagogy and psychology; traffic regulations and hazards on the road; legal aspects; motor vehicles technology; environmental protection, energy-saving driving techniques; lesson-planning; teaching practice; safe and skillful driving techniques; legal aspects of the profession. Testing of instructors When training has been completed, trainee instructors are tested by state examination boards. The tests are divided into written, oral and practical sections, and a practical test of the trainee's classroom and on-road teaching skills. The written examination involves the candidates solving problems related to traffic law and motor vehicle technology. The oral examination tests subject knowledge. The practical part tests the candidates' ability to drive a vehicles safely and skillfully in road traffic. The practical teaching test requires candidates to demonstrate their ability to teach in the classroom, and in the on-road test they demonstrate their ability to instruct learner drivers in road traffic. Candidates who are successful in the examination and meet the other requirements receive licences as driving instructors. Those wishing to acquire an additional qualification as instructors for probationary drivers referred back for further training have to pass a special training course, be in possession of driving instructor licences for classes 1 (A) and 3 (BE), and have the necessary instructing experience. Further training plays an important role: it is obligatory for those responsible for retraining probationary drivers and voluntary for normal instructors. Annual participation in further training courses can, however, exempt individual instructors from inspection within the framework of the provisions for inspection of driving schools. It is planned that in the future the training of driving instructors will be given an even stronger practical slant. At the same time, the pedagogical content will be increased, the examination system simplified and further training will become compulsory for all instructors. Learner drivers Learner drivers in Germany receive instruction on the basis of the Ordinance on the Instruction of Learner Drivers of May 31, 1976, which is continually updated. This starts by describing the objectives, contents, extent and nature of driving instruction, and then lays down basic principles relating to it. Central importance is given to the organization of the theoretical and practical aspects of instruction. The driving instructor is permitted to terminate the process of instruction only when he is certain that the leaner driver involved has actually acquired the necessary knowledge and skills. The objectives and contents of instruction consists of the learner learning to drive a motor vehicle safely and defensively with due consideration for other road users and displaying an awareness of his responsibility towards his fellow human beings and the environment. The extent and nature of instruction are designed to differentiate between theoretical and practical instruction but to ensure th
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