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Replying to: vcheng (Feb 24, 2009 9:31 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Feb 24, 2009 9:41 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Feb 24, 2009 9:21 am) That's more true of planes and speedboats, where you might get 1mpg. A lot of people just fly around or boat recreationally. If society is so concerned with saving fuels, I'd think they'd look at the worst offenders first. When our buddy Al Gore starts using less fuel than the average person let me know.
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 23, 2009 7:37 am) I hope you are not lumping me in with those speeders. I think we have already established that compared to me you are a speed demon. I object to PR on constitutional grounds and out of a general distrust of those in positions of power. |
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 23, 2009 9:02 am) Statements from individual officers and actual studies are two diffferent things. As I've said before, look at what the officers around you actually do. Around here, they drive at least 75 mph on limited access highways. Actions speak louder than words. The simple fact is that exceeding the speed limit on limited access highways is not dangerous. Informed drivers have known this for years. Even photo radar proponents have lately been reduced to admitting that it is a good way to raise revenue, not improve safety. The local official your home state admitted that it failed on limited access highways, and actually had unintended consequences. |
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 23, 2009 9:31 am) With an 85mph speed limit it would depend on which vehicle I was driving. My sports car could probably cruise at 100 all day so I would likely do the limit unless I was trying to save gas. My old farm truck would probably self-destruct at 85 so I would drive it much slower. I would still oppose PR though. 
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 23, 2009 9:46 am) larsb in 1775: The law of Parliament and the King is the law of the land in the colonies, so all taxes MUST BE PAID, regardless of your views on taxation, and Great Britain MUST BE OBEYED. larsb in 1851: That fugitive slave MUST BE RETURNED to his master to be punished, regardless of your views on slavery, because the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 MUST BE OBEYED. larsb in 1928: You CANNOT DRINK that glass of beer, regardless of your views on alcohol consumption, because Prohibition is the law, and MUST BE OBEYED. larsb in 1977: You CANNOT DRIVE 70 MPH because your car will automatically veer out of control and explode when the speedometer hits 56 mph, causing the death of you and surrounding drivers, and the 55 mph speed limit is the law of the land, and therefore MUST BE OBEYED, That's why it's a good idea to have a sense of history, and understand why not all laws are accorded the same weight. History has a way of making people too rigid in their viewpoints look foolish. 
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 23, 2009 10:38 am) TOUGH! If the cities are struggling they should do what individuals do, cut back. Until I see all the local government officials taking pay cuts or working for free I'll resist them taking more of my money through ANY means including PR. Without some limits you will soon see roaming bands of politicians knocking people down in the streets and going through their pockets for loose change. 
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Replying to: grbeck (Feb 24, 2009 10:28 am) Laws in the United States in 2009 generally reflect the will of society. Modern society dictates that in order to maintain civilization and not be reduced to a state of chaos, laws must be maintained and obeyed. If you don't like speed laws, get off your buttocks and get politically active and get them changed. Until they are changed to your liking, OBEY THEM and do it happily. If you are not happy about doing it, then get it changed. A huge section, maybe up to 90% of society, is just fine with current speed limits. I don't see a protest movement marching in the streets to get them faster. If you want your complaining about speed limits to be heard where it might have an impact, this forum is not it. Opposing photo radar because you think speed limits are set too low is really an untenable position and is taking one issue and accusing it of being falsely related to the other. Regardless of the speed limit, photo radar will exist to ASSIST law enforcement in monitoring the illegal behavior of excessive speeders. Even if the speed limit were 100 MPH.
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Replying to: kernick (Feb 24, 2009 10:02 am) 
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