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Re: weight and SHO [akirby]
by thegraduate
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Sep 23, 2009 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Sep 23, 2009 5:37 am)
I agree on price. I spec'd out an Avalon XL with cloth and little 16" wheels. It was more expensive sticker wise a paddle-shift Taurus SEL with leather, Sync, and a popular option package. Wasn't rolling on funny looking tiny wheels either.
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Re: weight and SHO [thegraduate]
by akirby
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Sep 23, 2009 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 23, 2009 6:46 am)
Exactly. I think some people just like to complain or simply haven't priced the competition lately.
Or they want to buy one and can't.
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Re: weight and SHO [akirby]
by dodgeman07
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Sep 23, 2009 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Sep 23, 2009 7:19 am)
Right akirby - we have no idea how much a car costs.
A used 2010 Toyota Avalon will be worth $27K next year and the comparable Ford Taurus will be worth $19K.
Facts are facts. Your opinion that past depreciation doesn't predict future depreciation is what Detroit has been praying for for 25 years. It hasn't helped yet.
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Re: weight and SHO [dodgeman07]
by ronsmith38
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Sep 23, 2009 (8:07 am)
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Sep 23, 2009 7:53 am)
A used 2010 Toyota Avalon will be worth $27K next year and the comparable Ford Taurus will be worth $19K
May be true, but not many of us buy a car one year and get rid of it the next. For those of us who keep a car for eight or ten years the depreciation is of little concern.
In fact I pay a property tax annually on the value of my vehicles. So, in this case, faster depreciation may be a plus.
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Re: weight and SHO [dodgeman07]
by akirby
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Sep 23, 2009 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Sep 23, 2009 7:53 am)
The point you're totally missing (on purpose?) is that Ford has changed the things that caused poor resale value in the past. Reliability is no longer an issue. They're no longer overproducing and putting huge rebates on the hood of new cars or dumping cars into rental fleets.
I don't know what the resale value will be on a 2010 Taurus - and neither do you. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Re: weight and SHO [akirby]
by dodgeman07
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Sep 23, 2009 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Sep 23, 2009 8:11 am)
I won't argue with you on re-sale value. Of course for people who keep their cars 10 years, re-sale value is no concern.
Ford put a decent body on and interior in the 2010 Taurus. Everything "under the skin" is the same as 2009. Used 2009 Ford Taurus' with 15,000 miles on the clock are available for half of sticker price today. I'm glad I didn't buy one for $34K last year when I can get one today for $17K. 
I've taken a bath on used Ford's I've traded in. Used Honda's were a much better story.
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Re: weight and SHO [dodgeman07]
by akirby
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Sep 23, 2009 (8:51 am)
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Sep 23, 2009 8:33 am)
And the 2009 models were boring and had big discounts to move them. If you parked a 2009 and 2010 side by side only a handfull of automotive enthusiasts would know they used the same platform. They're totally different, inside and out. Even the front clip was modified to handle the SHO engine output.
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Re: weight and SHO [dodgeman07]
by bruneau1
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Sep 23, 2009 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: dodgeman07 (Sep 23, 2009 8:33 am)
Not everything under the skin is exactly the same. The suspension has been improved, the engine made more responsive, the transmission programming improved, much more sound insulation, stiffining and reinforcing of the body. This is called refinement. I hate road noise and Hondas have plenty of that. Besides, the new Taurus makes a visual impact which i like. Nobody even notices another boring Honda with good resale value.
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Re: weight and SHO [bruneau1]
by gregg_vw
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Sep 23, 2009 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: bruneau1 (Sep 23, 2009 8:57 am)
Resale value is overblown. You have to compare what you actually paid when you bought the car (not "sticker") to what you get when you sell it. Yes, Hondas generally command higher resale, but also usually cost more when first bought (commanding prices closer to sticker). When you compare a five year old Ford to a five year old Toyota, the Ford buyer is still often money ahead because of the huge discounts on the front end. If Ford can command prices closer to list on the 2010 Taurus, then resale will be higher as well. If discounts and rebates grow, resale will drop. It is more or less supply and demand.
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Re: weight and SHO [bruneau1]
by dodgeman07
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Sep 23, 2009 (10:32 am)
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Replying to: bruneau1 (Sep 23, 2009 8:57 am)
To each his own, but don't get me wrong. The '10 Taurus is a good car - no question there. I just wish they would price a well-equipped Limited under $30K and not $35K where Lexus lurks with their ES350.
I understand Ford is trying to take the Taurus up-market but they went a bit too far. At the high end they are very close to Lincoln type pricing.
Maybe that's their goal. Eliminate Merc.
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