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296 messages, Last post on Dec 09, 2009 at 10:58 AM
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Replying to: marsha7 (Oct 27, 2009 4:09 pm) I'm 6'5" and get it.  I'd love to be able to slide them back further so that I could actually stretch my legs a bit.
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Replying to: steve665 (Oct 27, 2009 9:42 am) |
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Replying to: pod (Oct 27, 2009 12:45 pm) 160 lbs for power seats are you serious? Try like 10 lbs tops. How much do you think that little electric motor weighs? Everything else is the same as the manual seats. All the tracks still have to be there but the power seats give you more adjustment typically and the controls are lighter. Two or three little buttons weight less then three or four large levers and knobs. The whole driver seat weighs 50 or 60 lbs even with all the air bags and heating elements in them.
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 28, 2009 7:05 am) Graduate: I disagree about the blind spot. The correct positioning of the side mirrors should show none of your car in the side mirror when your head is vertical. A tilt to the right should then show the slightest bit of the car and a tilt to the left likewise. This eliminates the blind spot and also prevents the lights of trailing vehicles from adding to the eye load when in the neutral position. It is not a shoulder turn (that's why the mirrors are there); it is a head tilt. A shoulder turn helps confirm the mirrors info but doesn't involve the mirrors and when set this way is unnecessary (I do it from instinct and habit). What does the BLIS system do in stop and go traffic? It just seems unnecessary to me and if it is integrated into a greater safety logic algorithm it may be a disaster if (in a few years) there is a wandering ground or some wire pinched outside the harness. I agree that many of the points are simply a matter of taste and subjective. I want the lightest simplest car c/w safety and economy. I do also disagree about the fog lights. Except when crawling slowly along an unlit country road (as you describe) they shed no useful light. At twenty mph you are outrunning them. I did engage in a long discussion about this here in the edmunds forums (probably under lights or accessories) more than a year ago and most agreed. Indeed some argued they are for other cars to see you better in the fog--others argued that special colored lights were optimal. Most agreed that they were simply sporty decorations under most driving conditions. In most states it is against the law to have them on unless it is raining or foggy. Thank you gentlemen for the opportunity to engage in a discussion about these points. I am a minimalist and did look at the Graduate's little red car with some longing....not enough...but still. |
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Replying to: pod (Oct 28, 2009 4:07 pm)  ... We can agree to disagree about BLIS. I feel it has merit if only for two long-shot reasons: 1.) I'm 6'5", and can't adjust my mirrors perfectly in all cars. I have no problem in most, but in my '96 Accord, I reach the edge of the adjustment level just before I have them right. I still see a bit of car. 2.) Vehicles in the mirror aren't necessarily moving at your speed. I've looked in my mirrors, saw nothing, only to lookover my shoulder and prepare to merge when I see a motorcycle in my blind spot. Apparently, he was managing to stay out of view as I adjusted myself to check whether or not the lane was clear. It's only been one instance, but while it rattled me, I bet he or she on the bike needed new underwear! I agree about the foglamps in general, but they do have their place for a select few. I would want to pay for them here in Birmingham. Thanks for some great talking points here! TG |
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Oct 26, 2009 4:47 am) |
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 28, 2009 4:22 pm) Exactly - using your mirrors (properly adjusted) and glancing over your shoulder means you have no blind spot. I think BLIS is fine as an added safety measure - for those times when you forget to glance over your shoulder or you don't like having your mirrors adjusted that way. But I do not see it as a necessity or a huge safety improvement.
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 29, 2009 5:27 am) |
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Replying to: pod (Oct 28, 2009 4:07 pm) There is a button on the dash to turn it off if you are getting a lot of false negatives in stop and go bumper to bumper traffic. It will pick up motorcycles and it does pick up a car a couple of car lengths before it enters your blind spot. With the size of the pillars in modern cars and the currently in style coupe like rear profile the back C pillar in a sedan can be quite large. One of the worst offenders of this is the new Lexus IS models. Go drive one of those and check out the enormous blind spot. Just backing one up is difficult with the huge rear pillars and enormous bangle butt trunk. I don't think Lexus offers a BLISS type system on that car but they do offer a backup camera and you need one. |
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 29, 2009 5:27 am) |
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