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Re: Same GM Guarantee [lilengineerboy] by mp685
Oct 26, 2009 (2:58 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Oct 02, 2009 5:59 pm)

Ford doesn't need to get down on it's hands and knees and beg and plead with American consumers to buy their products. Americans are buying Fords without a cheap marketing gimmick like GM has had to resort to. Look at the swing in market share. Ford is not even in the same class as GM and Chrysler anymore. Ford has taken market share away from Toyota and Nissan, let alone GM and Chrysler. How's that 'GM Guarantee' working out? Obama should've let GM and Chrysler sink. Ford doesn't need a life vest.
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Re: Same GM Guarantee [mp685] by gregg_vw
Oct 26, 2009 (4:47 am)
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Replying to: mp685 (Oct 26, 2009 2:58 am)

The thing is, GM is now increasing its market share, and it is already well above Ford''s. Ford did some good, creative things after practically committing suicide a few years ago. Then GM went into an even worse skid. But right now, GM has some good 2010 products out there now (Equinox, Camaro, Terrain, SRX, Lacrosse, and they are beginning to sell well. GM dumped a lot of debt, with the government's help. Ford got a bump in sales by not taking a handout. But people's memories are short, and for all the new product in the Ford pipeline, GM has similar plans. It will be good to see the domestics reborn.
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Re: Same GM Guarantee [gregg_vw] by akirby
Oct 26, 2009 (5:33 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Oct 26, 2009 4:47 am)

But are they increasing market share with increased incentives and more fleet dumping? Ford is increasing retail market share almost every month while at the same time reducing incentives and fleet dumping and they seem to have costs and production capacity under control.
 
Are you sure GM is gaining RETAIL market share?
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Re: Same GM Guarantee [akirby] by british_rover
Oct 26, 2009 (7:07 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 26, 2009 5:33 am)

No one is dumping units into rental fleets right now. Well maybe Kia but that is it. One of the reasons the prices of late model used cars have gone up so much is because the supply of ex-rentals has dried up. The big rental lot kings at GM over the past couple of years were Pontiac and they aren't making new Pontiacs anymore.
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Re: Same GM Guarantee [british_rover] by grega
Oct 26, 2009 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 26, 2009 7:07 am)

The GM guarantee is a SCAM and it would cost you thousands of $$$ to get out of one of their cars between day 31-60 of owernship, where you pay for wear-n-tear, taxes, fees, etc.
 
As far as marketshare, GM is gaining overall share because they are dumping Chevy Impalas, Malibus and Cobalts all over the rental car companies, more than the Koreans.
 
Ford is gaining retail marketshare because they have a better business plan and are using (19) "Whiz kids" (PhD's) to analyze pricing models and have already yielded $1.9 Billion in net sales increase in the first half of this year alone. I expect Ford to post a real surprise profit for Q3 next week.
 
Also, consider the following improvements to Ford products that will drive increase retail marketshare:
- F150 trucks - (2) new V8 engines - 5.0 and 6.2 by Q2
- 2011 SuperDuty trucks with new 6.2 V8 and 6.7 Ford Diesel, plus 6-speed trans
- Mustang gets 3.5 V6 and 5.0 V8 with 400 HP in Q2
- Transit Connect small commercial van with electric in 2010
- Fiesta "B" segment small car - over 50,000 interested buyers already
- 2.0L I4 EcoBoost engine (250HP) with 6-speed dual-dry clutch trans
- Upgraded Edge, MKX CUVs by Q2 and awesome new Explorer by yearend
- All new Focus in late 2010 with electric in 2011
- 3.5 V6 EcoBoost in F150 by yearend with superior 24+ MPG (400ft-lbs torque)
- and a few surprises....
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Re: Same GM Guarantee [grega] by gregg_vw
Oct 26, 2009 (12:52 pm)
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Replying to: grega (Oct 26, 2009 11:42 am)

Those are all great products coming, and I applaud Ford for it. I always root for Ford, even though they made so many bonehead decisions in the early and mid-2000's. For now Ford appears on a roll (though Lincoln and Mercury sales remain on life support). Ford will need those surprises you refer to in order to continue to improve market share.
 
GM is not sitting on its heels. The number of new products--just here, coming and proposed--is a long list. They are more focused as well, having dispensed with Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer, Saab, and Opel. Chevy's 2010 Equinox has leapfrogged the very good Escape (roomier, quieter, more economical, better styled). Chevrolet has a bew subcompact and full-size sedans coming, and the already good Malibu will be replaced again in 2012. GMC is revamping things. The Buick Enclave and 2010 Lacrosse are great vehicles in their segments, and the coming Regal will be even better. Cadillac already has rear drive platforms and is expanding their RWD offerings by several more models, including one to compete with the BMW 3 series. The new FWD-based SRX is selling very well.
 
The world has changed. Every manufacturer will have to scramble and improve each and every year, or they will eventually fail. Those who issue a new model here and there (Volvo, Saab, Suzuki, Chrysler, etc.) are struggling more. The high end marques are losing market share as well. Meanwhile, companies like Kia, Hyundai and Subaru quietly increase their market share even in this recession.
 
Practically everything on the market these days is a good car...practically all the crap is gone. But being good is no longer enough. Ford knows that now. But GM does too. They have no more illusions that dumping cars in fleets will help them solve their problems. Consequently, we are going to see a lot of game-changing stuff, from surprising places at times. It will be even more fun for buyers.
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Re: Same GM Guarantee [grega] by british_rover
Oct 26, 2009 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: grega (Oct 26, 2009 11:42 am)

Umhh are you sure you replied to the right person.
 
I didn't mention anything about the GM 60 day return policy and honestly haven't read the details of the program. I wouldn't even try to debate if it is a scam or not because I don't know anything about it. I haven't bothered to read any of the details.
 
Maybe you should take a look at what I was talking about, Fleet sales and rental dumping, and see if has anything to do with what you wrote about.
 
Maybe I should ask you how my cell phone can pay for itself free. now that sounds like a scam
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2010 Taurus Limited Heated Leather Seats by steve665
Oct 27, 2009 (9:42 am)
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I ordered a 2010 Taurus Limited and was disappointed to discover that while heated seats are standard on the Fusion SEL and the Taurus SEL with leather, the Limited leather seats do NOT come with heat. It's unbelievable!! You have to pay $1000. extra MSRP to get the heat. I think this is due to Ford's whiz kids trickery and it is NOT a treat!
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Re: 2010 Taurus Limited Heated Leather Seats [steve665] by marsha7
Oct 27, 2009 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: steve665 (Oct 27, 2009 9:42 am)

Look like another "satisfied" Ford customer...
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Re: 2010 Taurus Limited Heated Leather Seats [marsha7] by steve665
Oct 27, 2009 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Oct 27, 2009 9:57 am)

I've had the car for three weeks and love it. I just wish they would include heat with the leather seats on the Limited as they have in the past. I don't like the games.

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