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Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [texases] by cmuniz
Jun 30, 2009 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: texases (Jun 30, 2009 7:27 am)

I bought it from Westway Ford since they were willing to sell it to me for the A-Plan price plus give me a good trade-in value for my 2007 Lincoln MKZ. In general I did not like dealing with them. I consider them an old fashion dealer where everything goes thru the sales and finance mgrs so it takes forever to close the deal although I knew the car I wanted, didn't want a test drive and had my own financing. They are a volume dealer so their pricing is good. The dealers in DFW seem to have an adequate supply of hybrids so look around for the one you want and the best deal. Good Luck - let me know how it turns out.
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Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [stevedebi] by wpwoodjr
Jun 30, 2009 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jun 30, 2009 11:32 am)

No, the ICE isn't even on sometimes when the AC is on. The AC draw on power seems to be treated just like a draw on power from moving the car. Once the battery is low, you go over 47 mph, or the AC draw plus moving the car draw equals a certain threshold, the ICE comes on.
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Re: Ford Fusion Hybrid discounts? [wpwoodjr] by jbryner
Jun 30, 2009 (6:01 pm)
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Replying to: wpwoodjr (Jun 30, 2009 10:03 am)

I was actually able to negotiate a price of $30,215 for the 502a package today with my local dealer. Thanks to everyone on this site for posting how much they paid and where they were able to get deals from, it definitely helped me negotiate a lower price.
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Nav System by dmathews3
Jul 01, 2009 (2:06 pm)
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Just got back from a short trip with the wifes Caddy STS w/nav. We wanted to go to a close restaurant and punched in Restaurants in the Nav and it asked what type we wanted. We chose All but it wouldn't list out any unless we put in a name. How can we put in a name when we are in a strange town when I don't know what the names are. Anyway for those of you with the FFH and Nav. how does it work. My Garmin starts with the nearest Restaurant and goes from there.
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Honda Insight vs. FFH comparison by hoyafan
Jul 01, 2009 (11:08 pm)
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Replying to: hoyafan (Jun 30, 2009 7:04 am)

http://jalopnik.com/5301463/hybrid-car-wars-honda-insight-vs-ford-fusion-hybrid
 
No surprise which wins!
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Re: Honda Insight vs. FFH comparison [hoyafan] by acdii
Jul 02, 2009 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: hoyafan (Jul 01, 2009 11:08 pm)

Their value rating bugs me. They underestimate the value of the Fusion greatly. First is the comparison against the base model Fusion being $8k, when it is actually less when you put the options that are standard on the Hybrid into the base. Second is the fact that nearly everyone who says you will never make up the premium in gas savings fails to realize the fact that the premium cost carries over when they sell the car. Its like a diesel truck compared to a gas truck, same make, model, year, mileage truck gas vs diesel, you will see the diesel always has a higher resell value, nearly equal to the up front cost paid for the diesel option.
 
For a better more direct cost comparison, lets take a new Camry SE verse Hybrid. The SE is the closest in comparison to what comes in the base Hybrid.
 
SE 27,008
Hybrid 28,363
Roughly a $1300 "Premium"
 
These are built with near identical options through their website.
 
Now used values for 2009 models.
 
SE ~ 20-21K
Hybrid ~24-25K
 
Lets now see depreciation,
SE $27,008 - $21,000 = $6,008
Hybrid $28,363 - $24,000 = $ 4,363
 
Nearly a $2000 difference, the SE now has cost you more than the $1300 Premium.
 
I took the low end for the Hybrid since they vary so much, and there are more UP models than base.
 
From what I have seen in used car prices so far, depreciation on the hybrids is actually less than the non hybrid models, so that pretty much proves that the hybrid does pay off in the long run in both gas savings and resale value, unless of course you are hard on the car and don't take care of it.
 
The above numbers are off the Edmunds used car listings, and not made up numbers, just an average of what is available in my area. The new car prices are right off the Toyota website in the build your own area. Hybrid base, only options are the floor mats, the SE the JBL option package that brings the SE up to the same basic components that are standard in the Hybrid, plus floor mats.
 
I paid $28,500 total for my 2009 TCH, $500 down financed $28K. I can turn around and sell for roughly $24K. I would say that's a pretty good deal considering I owe less than that on the loan. If it were not a hybrid, I would be upside down on the loan.
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Re: Ford Fusion Hybrid discounts? [jbryner] by wpwoodjr
Jul 03, 2009 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: jbryner (Jun 30, 2009 6:01 pm)

Did you buy at Pacifico?
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Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [stevedebi] by WyattNichols
Jul 11, 2009 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jun 30, 2009 11:32 am)

Steve,
 
I've been out of town since my post, so it has taken this long to get back with you.
 
I agree with the response from dmatthews.
 
The a/c compressor in the FFH is electric.
 
Even though you can get a read-out of everything else, I don't think we can get a pure RPM read-out of the ICE in the FFH. We do get a "relative" read-out of power output of the ICE (and electric motor), but it doesn't appear accurate enough to know the actual RPM.
 
No, unfortunately I'm not the primary driver of our FFH.
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Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [WyattNichols] by cmuniz
Jul 12, 2009 (5:42 am)
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Replying to: WyattNichols (Jul 11, 2009 5:43 pm)

You can program the dash display to show RPM's for the ICE, There are four display modes and several show RPMs. Use the buttons on the bottom left side of the steering wheel to change the display.
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Re: Milians HB inventory [jeff_h] by amcarseeker
Jul 14, 2009 (2:50 pm)
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Replying to: jeff_h (Jun 25, 2009 2:45 pm)

Apple Ford?? You must be kidding! I just visited this dealership which had picked up a Lincoln-Mercury franchise after Miller Brothers Ford suddenly dropped dead.
Apple's inventory amounted to a pathetic 3 or 4 Mercury cars/SUVs. They had ZERO Milans (HB or otherwise). Apparently didn't seem to care.
 
One of their reps stated that they had had 1 (as in ONE) Milan HB since its release. Wasn't really expecting any. Had not ordered any for stock. What kind of a dealer is this?
 
I thought that this was just negligence on Apple Ford's part, but no, it turned out that in the whole Greater Baltimore/DC corridor, there was only 1 (as in ONE) Milan HB and that was at Safford as a Used (excuse me, "pre-owned") car.
 
Meanwhile, Mercury is HEAVILY ADVERTISING that precise car model on TV and on many web sites. To get buyer interest, I suppose. But then they have NO cars!
 
How can an American manufacturer compete with Toyota or Honda (or fill-in the blank_______ ) by advertising cars that they cannot provide!
 
We have been Mercury owners for the last 20 years. We wanted a Mercury Milan HB. But too bad for us. Too bad for other Mercury customers. Too bad for the Mercury Division. Great news for Toyota, Honda, et al ("Don't worry guys! Us foreign brands can take up the slack!").

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