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#873 of 1054 Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [cmuniz] by texases Jun 30, 2009 (7:27 am)
Replying to: cmuniz (Jun 30, 2009 3:52 am) Mind if I ask which dealer you used? I'm considering the FFH, live in Dallas. Any comments on them (leaving out the salesperson's name, of course)? Replies to this message: cmuniz (Jun 30, 2009 11:49 am)
#874 of 1054 Re: Ford Fusion Hybrid discounts? [jbryner] by wpwoodjr Jun 30, 2009 (10:03 am)
Replying to: jbryner (Jun 29, 2009 8:45 am) I ordered my FFH from Pacifico in Newtown Square for $500 over invoice - cost me $30,120 before PA taxes for the 502a package. You better get down there today though if open allocation is over at the end of June as some are saying! Replies to this message: jbryner (Jun 30, 2009 6:01 pm) wpwoodjr (Jul 03, 2009 6:46 am)
#875 of 1054 Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [WyattNichols] by stevedebi Jun 30, 2009 (11:32 am)
Replying to: WyattNichols (Jun 28, 2009 6:53 pm) "Prior to the recent heat wave in the south, I was getting about 39 mpg for the last 2000 miles, according to the car's meter; a little less (37.7) according to my calculations of gas bought verses miles driven. During this last tank of gas, my mpg dropped 5.5 mpg due to the daily temps at or above 100.    The electrical drain on the system when you run the A/C when it is 120F inside and 100F+ outside is significant; even when you roll down the windows for a few minutes ("but it blows my hair!") to get the inside temp down to 100F. Psychologically, when I'm experiencing this type of heat, I've found that I'm not as patient with coasting and accelerating real slowly. "   I own a 2008 FEH, which uses the same Ford hybrid drive system. At temperatures above approximately 97F, the FEH increases the engine RPM by about 600, leading to lower gas mileage. This behavior has been confirmed in the 2009 FEH as well. It only happens when the A/C compressor is on - so an easy way to tell is to drive normally and then deactivate the A/C; if the RPM goes down by 600 or so, then the FFH has the same behavior as the FEH.   I'm wondering if you noticed - was your RPM higher when the A/C is used at higher outside temperatures?   I have read that the FFH uses electric A/C compressors, so I'm interested to find out if it also has this characteristic... Replies to this message: wpwoodjr (Jun 30, 2009 5:32 pm) WyattNichols (Jul 11, 2009 5:43 pm) cmuniz (Jul 12, 2009 5:42 am)
#876 of 1054 Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [texases] by cmuniz Jun 30, 2009 (11:49 am)
Replying to: texases (Jun 30, 2009 7:27 am) I bought it from Westway Ford since they were willing to sell it to me for the A-Plan price plus give me a good trade-in value for my 2007 Lincoln MKZ. In general I did not like dealing with them. I consider them an old fashion dealer where everything goes thru the sales and finance mgrs so it takes forever to close the deal although I knew the car I wanted, didn't want a test drive and had my own financing. They are a volume dealer so their pricing is good. The dealers in DFW seem to have an adequate supply of hybrids so look around for the one you want and the best deal. Good Luck - let me know how it turns out.
#877 of 1054 Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [stevedebi] by wpwoodjr Jun 30, 2009 (5:32 pm)
Replying to: stevedebi (Jun 30, 2009 11:32 am) No, the ICE isn't even on sometimes when the AC is on. The AC draw on power seems to be treated just like a draw on power from moving the car. Once the battery is low, you go over 47 mph, or the AC draw plus moving the car draw equals a certain threshold, the ICE comes on.
#878 of 1054 Re: Ford Fusion Hybrid discounts? [wpwoodjr] by jbryner Jun 30, 2009 (6:01 pm)
Replying to: wpwoodjr (Jun 30, 2009 10:03 am) I was actually able to negotiate a price of $30,215 for the 502a package today with my local dealer. Thanks to everyone on this site for posting how much they paid and where they were able to get deals from, it definitely helped me negotiate a lower price. Replies to this message: wpwoodjr (Jul 03, 2009 6:46 am)
#879 of 1054 Nav System by dmathews3 Jul 01, 2009 (2:06 pm)
Just got back from a short trip with the wifes Caddy STS w/nav. We wanted to go to a close restaurant and punched in Restaurants in the Nav and it asked what type we wanted. We chose All but it wouldn't list out any unless we put in a name. How can we put in a name when we are in a strange town when I don't know what the names are. Anyway for those of you with the FFH and Nav. how does it work. My Garmin starts with the nearest Restaurant and goes from there.
#880 of 1054 Honda Insight vs. FFH comparison by hoyafan Jul 01, 2009 (11:08 pm)
Replying to: hoyafan (Jun 30, 2009 7:04 am) http://jalopnik.com/5301463/hybrid-car-wars-honda-insight-vs-ford-fusion-hybrid   No surprise which wins! Replies to this message: acdii (Jul 02, 2009 6:28 am)
#881 of 1054 Re: Honda Insight vs. FFH comparison [hoyafan] by acdii Jul 02, 2009 (6:28 am)
Replying to: hoyafan (Jul 01, 2009 11:08 pm) Their value rating bugs me. They underestimate the value of the Fusion greatly. First is the comparison against the base model Fusion being $8k, when it is actually less when you put the options that are standard on the Hybrid into the base. Second is the fact that nearly everyone who says you will never make up the premium in gas savings fails to realize the fact that the premium cost carries over when they sell the car. Its like a diesel truck compared to a gas truck, same make, model, year, mileage truck gas vs diesel, you will see the diesel always has a higher resell value, nearly equal to the up front cost paid for the diesel option.   For a better more direct cost comparison, lets take a new Camry SE verse Hybrid. The SE is the closest in comparison to what comes in the base Hybrid.   SE 27,008 Hybrid 28,363 Roughly a $1300 "Premium"   These are built with near identical options through their website.   Now used values for 2009 models.   SE ~ 20-21K Hybrid ~24-25K   Lets now see depreciation, SE $27,008 - $21,000 = $6,008 Hybrid $28,363 - $24,000 = $ 4,363   Nearly a $2000 difference, the SE now has cost you more than the $1300 Premium.   I took the low end for the Hybrid since they vary so much, and there are more UP models than base.   From what I have seen in used car prices so far, depreciation on the hybrids is actually less than the non hybrid models, so that pretty much proves that the hybrid does pay off in the long run in both gas savings and resale value, unless of course you are hard on the car and don't take care of it.   The above numbers are off the Edmunds used car listings, and not made up numbers, just an average of what is available in my area. The new car prices are right off the Toyota website in the build your own area. Hybrid base, only options are the floor mats, the SE the JBL option package that brings the SE up to the same basic components that are standard in the Hybrid, plus floor mats.   I paid $28,500 total for my 2009 TCH, $500 down financed $28K. I can turn around and sell for roughly $24K. I would say that's a pretty good deal considering I owe less than that on the loan. If it were not a hybrid, I would be upside down on the loan.
#882 of 1054 Re: Ford Fusion Hybrid discounts? [jbryner] by wpwoodjr Jul 03, 2009 (6:46 am)
Replying to: jbryner (Jun 30, 2009 6:01 pm) Did you buy at Pacifico?

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