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Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [WyattNichols]
by dmathews3
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Jun 29, 2009 (12:50 pm)
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Replying to: WyattNichols (Jun 28, 2009 6:53 pm)
When it is that hot out does the air cool down the car to say 72 like my wifes Caddy does? Also are you driving the Ford Hybrid?
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- #870 of 1054
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Re: Ford Fusion Hybrid discounts? [jbryner]
by jeff_h
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Jun 29, 2009 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: jbryner (Jun 29, 2009 8:45 am)
That was me that posted the other note, but you can also go to my local dealer, he will also give $1,000 under MSRP and currently has 4 on the lot. Plus, I am an hour north of Richmond so you save some driving. 
Go to my profile area and send me an email (on bottom of profile) if you want to coordinate more, I'll be glad to help out.
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Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [dmathews3]
by cmuniz
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Jun 30, 2009 (3:52 am)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Jun 29, 2009 12:50 pm)
My FFH has kept us cool in Dallas when the outside temps were over 100. That was one of my concerns when hybrids first came out, but now that the a/c is electrical it works just fine under any condition. It will affect the mpg since the engine has to run more to charge the battery - not run the a/c.
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In case you were thinking about the Honda Insight...
by hoyafan
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Jun 30, 2009 (7:04 am)
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Thing again, according to Consumer Reports:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/30/i-consumer-reports-i-lambasts-honda-insight-r- anks-it-21-out/
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Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [cmuniz]
by texases
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Jun 30, 2009 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: cmuniz (Jun 30, 2009 3:52 am)
Mind if I ask which dealer you used? I'm considering the FFH, live in Dallas. Any comments on them (leaving out the salesperson's name, of course)?
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- #874 of 1054
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Re: Ford Fusion Hybrid discounts? [jbryner]
by wpwoodjr
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Jun 30, 2009 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: jbryner (Jun 29, 2009 8:45 am)
I ordered my FFH from Pacifico in Newtown Square for $500 over invoice - cost me $30,120 before PA taxes for the 502a package. You better get down there today though if open allocation is over at the end of June as some are saying!
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- #875 of 1054
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Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [WyattNichols]
by stevedebi
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Jun 30, 2009 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: WyattNichols (Jun 28, 2009 6:53 pm)
"Prior to the recent heat wave in the south, I was getting about 39 mpg for the last 2000 miles, according to the car's meter; a little less (37.7) according to my calculations of gas bought verses miles driven. During this last tank of gas, my mpg dropped 5.5 mpg due to the daily temps at or above 100.
The electrical drain on the system when you run the A/C when it is 120F inside and 100F+ outside is significant; even when you roll down the windows for a few minutes ("but it blows my hair!") to get the inside temp down to 100F. Psychologically, when I'm experiencing this type of heat, I've found that I'm not as patient with coasting and accelerating real slowly. "
I own a 2008 FEH, which uses the same Ford hybrid drive system. At temperatures above approximately 97F, the FEH increases the engine RPM by about 600, leading to lower gas mileage. This behavior has been confirmed in the 2009 FEH as well. It only happens when the A/C compressor is on - so an easy way to tell is to drive normally and then deactivate the A/C; if the RPM goes down by 600 or so, then the FFH has the same behavior as the FEH.
I'm wondering if you noticed - was your RPM higher when the A/C is used at higher outside temperatures?
I have read that the FFH uses electric A/C compressors, so I'm interested to find out if it also has this characteristic...
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Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [texases]
by cmuniz
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Jun 30, 2009 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: texases (Jun 30, 2009 7:27 am)
I bought it from Westway Ford since they were willing to sell it to me for the A-Plan price plus give me a good trade-in value for my 2007 Lincoln MKZ. In general I did not like dealing with them. I consider them an old fashion dealer where everything goes thru the sales and finance mgrs so it takes forever to close the deal although I knew the car I wanted, didn't want a test drive and had my own financing. They are a volume dealer so their pricing is good. The dealers in DFW seem to have an adequate supply of hybrids so look around for the one you want and the best deal. Good Luck - let me know how it turns out.
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Re: FYI--Heat is a killer of mpg [stevedebi]
by wpwoodjr
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Jun 30, 2009 (5:32 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Jun 30, 2009 11:32 am)
No, the ICE isn't even on sometimes when the AC is on. The AC draw on power seems to be treated just like a draw on power from moving the car. Once the battery is low, you go over 47 mph, or the AC draw plus moving the car draw equals a certain threshold, the ICE comes on.
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Re: Ford Fusion Hybrid discounts? [wpwoodjr]
by jbryner
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Jun 30, 2009 (6:01 pm)
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Replying to: wpwoodjr (Jun 30, 2009 10:03 am)
I was actually able to negotiate a price of $30,215 for the 502a package today with my local dealer. Thanks to everyone on this site for posting how much they paid and where they were able to get deals from, it definitely helped me negotiate a lower price.
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