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Actual MPG for FFH by WyattNichols
Jun 22, 2009 (5:53 pm)
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Has anyone kept track of their gas receipts and computed their mpg based on the gasoline purchased vs. the readout from the car?
 
I have. At my last fillup, 4673.0 miles, I had bought and thus burned or evaporated 123.91 gals (37.7 mpg), but the readout on my long term dash mpg was 38.9. The difference being about 3.5 gals.
 
I know there are measurement errors all around, but is this within the limits expected for the car's calculation or fuel pumps?
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Re: Actual MPG for FFH [WyattNichols] by akirby
Jun 22, 2009 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: WyattNichols (Jun 22, 2009 5:53 pm)

Did you reset the computer mpg when you filled up? You're only talking about a 3% difference. I think that's well within the margin of error for the pump or the computer.
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Re: Actual MPG for FFH [akirby] by WyattNichols
Jun 23, 2009 (1:57 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 22, 2009 7:03 pm)

Did you reset the computer mpg when you filled up?
 
No. I'm using the long term mpg since I picked up the car.
 
I have checked the mpg for each of the 10 tanks of gas I've bought. As it should be, the average mpg for these 10 tanks of gas was basically the same as the total gals bought divided into the total miles.
 
Yeah, I didn't think 3% off was all that bad, unless everybody else was getting a difference below the car's reported mpg. True measurement error should be distributed on both sides of the car's reported mpg.
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Re: Actual MPG for FFH [WyattNichols] by acdii
Jun 23, 2009 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: WyattNichols (Jun 23, 2009 1:57 am)

One of the factors involved with the trip computer is the speedometer calibration. I don't know how many others have noticed, the speedo is set a little higher than the actual speed, but the odometer is dead on. I couldnt tell you how many times I passed one of those speed signs that shows your MPH, and what is reported is roughly 3-5 MPH lower than the reading on the dash. To confirm I checked with the police departments of several towns and the county, the speed boards are all calibrated correctly, and it wasn't just my Camry, but all the cars I drive or have driven show the same thing. With the exception of my F350, the trip computers are actually accurate if you take into account the difference between the speedometer readout and the true MPH. This is why hand calculating is important to getting your true MPG of any car.
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Re: Actual MPG for FFH [acdii] by akirby
Jun 23, 2009 (6:32 am)
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Replying to: acdii (Jun 23, 2009 6:15 am)

There is one of those on my drive home every day. It is exactly 1 mph lower than my speedometer (06 SEL V6 FWD). It says 40, my speedometer says 41 mph.
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Re: Why hybrid? [fusion_female] by acdii
Jun 23, 2009 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: fusion_female (Jun 22, 2009 5:07 am)

From personal experience, the Prius and Camry Hybrid are incomparable, I have owned both. What I can tell you is I lost no money on the Prius, in fact made some money, but that was before everything came crashing down. The Camry Hybrid I have now is getting far better MPG than I could get with the I4 Camry. I am averaging above 38 MPG right now, and 35 MPG in the winter. On the highway if I drive it just right, I can see 50 MPG in it. The Prius I had, I got 65 MPG on the highway, by driving it just right. The resale value on the car will be higher than the I4 or V6, so the difference in cost for the hybrid technology IMO is a wash, much like in a diesel truck, you pay a premium up front for it, but in the end, that premium carries through in resale.
 
In the Fusion Hybrid, in city driving, I bet I could see 45+ MPG in it easily, just from the fact I have driven hybrids for two years now and know how to manipulate the pedal just right, but that takes practice and a constant eye on the gauges.
 
Personally, what it boils down to, is not cost, economics, being green etc. it comes down to personal preference, if you like it, buy it, who cares what it costs, what the so called "break even" point is, or how "good" it is for the environment. What matters most is if you like to drive it, is it comfortable to drive, is it fun, does it suit your needs, and do you feel safe driving it, these points are what matter most, everything else doesn't really matter.
 
When I traded my Prius for a Hyundai Veracruz, I was at first happy to be driving the Veracruz, and still enjoy driving it, but after a while I missed driving the hybrid, I did not miss the Prius at all, it was unconformable to drive for me, and I did not feel it was a safe enough car for me and my family, but I did miss the technology. A few months later I got a great deal on a Camry Hybrid, and I like driving it, I like the car, and it has been 100% reliable for the past 27,000 miles, other than a few quality concerns, nothing actually wrong, just cheap materials that I feel are not up to the standards I expect from a Toyota Camry, there is not a single thing wrong with the car. I have no concerns over repair issues, and seeing that others have gone 300K without replacing the pack, I feel the car will last me a long time. Now had Ford had the Fusion Hybrid out last year, there is a very good possibility I would have one of those instead, since the Ford quality is much higher than the Toyota is now. If I were to sell it, based of current used car prices, especially if gas prices go up , I am fairly confident I could come out ahead, with cash in hand after paying off the car loan.
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Mileage and brakes by trucker49
Jun 23, 2009 (8:29 am)
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If you're talking how soon before it becomes economically advantageous to buy a hybrid....since there is still a $1700 dollar tax credit on them and the initial cost is what $3000 dollars more aren't we talking only a $1300 dollar difference? I figured at an average price of $3 dollars a gallon, which I know we aren't quite to yet, but driving like I do I should expect to even out in about 2 years. Anyone that got the $3400 they where starting out to the good, no?
 
One question, I know they say the regenerative braking has lower maintenance and last longer when you do need a brake job could a regular mechanic do it or would someone with special knowledge be needed?
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Re: Mileage and brakes [trucker49] by gregg_vw
Jun 23, 2009 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: trucker49 (Jun 23, 2009 8:29 am)

It is just not that simple. The Fusion Hybrid generally goes out the door at closer to sticker than do other Fusion models. So the MSRP differences are actually larger than the window figures suggest. Now, you are apt to get the premium paid back on trade-in, but you weren't talking about resale, nor how many years of ownership you intend to have. Do you drive mostly city miles or do you do a lot of highway driving? The hybrid doesn't do all that much better mileage-wise on expressways than the 4 cylinder.
 
Again, if you are trying to "even out," then maybe you are looking at the wrong car. Get a loaded I4 Fusion. For the price differential, you can buy a heck of a lot of gas.
 
OTOH, you could drive them both back to back and buy the one that pleases you more for the money. That's what a lot of people do...as when comparing a 4 with a V6 model, or Chevy with a Buick..or a VW with Audi, or even a Yaris with a Smart, or what have you.
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ordered 12/31/08 picked up 6/5/09 & 18 days later by rroll
Jun 23, 2009 (10:26 am)
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Who cares about the saving!!. The entertainment using and driving has already paid for the difference. 1 1/4 tank(s) around 700 mile mark. It is like playing a nitendo game. Can we get the efficiency to the maximum (omg look at all the cars that have to drive slowly behind me)? Let's see if I can get the voice control working on the 1st shot for the phone list or the 2,500 songs on the I-pod. Should I listen to Sirius, AM,FM, jukebox or maybe a DVD music score like Cher that we can watch at long traffic light or while waiting for someone. Maybe put the car in reverse to set the backup screen and then see how far we can drive forward with the screen still in reverse. Oh here's another one. Let's see if we can find something on the screen again, same screen that we found yesterday. There so many screens and toggle on the nav screen and another bunch on the LED on either side of the speedometer. Loaded a bunch of JPG pics into the system and now we need to decide what display on the left screen and what to display on the right side of the screen. GREAT car. As good as the 2006 Fushion SEL 6. Could not be happier. Just wish I had an 11 y/o to remember how to find screens. Oh well, I'll just keep rereading the manual and playing with all the buttons and menus. Rob in Montreal
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Re: ordered 12/31/08 picked up 6/5/09 & 18 days later [rroll] by larsb
Jun 23, 2009 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: rroll (Jun 23, 2009 10:26 am)

LOL................

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