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Re: Why hybrid [hoyafan] by rogerinvermont
Jun 22, 2009 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: hoyafan (Jun 22, 2009 5:34 am)

More specifically, the warranty is 10 years/150K miles if you are in a california emissions state.
 
And it is a full warranty; it is NOT prorated based on the life of the battery.
 
As a purchaser of a new, expensive, high-tech automobile, I have the fear that something post-warranty will die and Ford will demand my children's birthright to fix it. The high-voltage battery is the least of the worries, because of the high-mileage warranty.
 
The five california emission states are California, New York, Maine, Massachusetts, and Vermont.
 
Rog in Vermont
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Re: Why hybrid? [fusion_female] by cmuniz
Jun 22, 2009 (11:56 am)
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Replying to: fusion_female (Jun 21, 2009 9:14 pm)

My economic analysis indicated that it would take me 42 months to break even on buying at FFH vs a loaded I4 based on gas savings alone. I went ahead and bought one because I really like the technology. It is a very fun car to drive and it continuously amazes how often the engine turns on and off and how the power vs economy vs battery charging is managed by the computer. The enjoyment factor alone makes it worthwhile for me, plus the car can teach you how to drive it economically if you pay attention to the gauges. So I agree that it is not an economic decision, but one based on other factors as discussed above. Of course you never know what will happen to the price of gas, but it is still fun to go over 550 miles per tank. I'm averaging 34.2 mpg so far in the month since we got it.
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Re: Why hybrid? [fusion_female] by explorerx4
Jun 22, 2009 (4:43 pm)
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Replying to: fusion_female (Jun 22, 2009 5:07 am)

if you are leasing, you don't drive a lot of miles?
FFH would be tough to justify in a normal leasing situation.
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Re: Why hybrid? [fusion_female] by WyattNichols
Jun 22, 2009 (5:41 pm)
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Replying to: fusion_female (Jun 22, 2009 5:07 am)

I agree with the previous posts that it would be a long time before the FFH would pay for itself.
 
If you didn't buy a FFH, but were looking at a 4 cylinder or V6 Fusion, then I would recommend the 4 cyl over the FFH and the FFH over the V6. Don't forget the tax credit, I believe $1,700, you get for buying a FFH.
 
The FFH does well with city driving. Driving like "a little old lady" (how my wife describes my driving), I easily get 42+ mpg after the ICE is hot and the temperature is below 85F. I haven't had that mpg because half of my driving is at interstate speeds and recently temperatures are 95-100F. A non-hybrid car would get a similar, or worse mpg decrease in hot temperatures.
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Actual MPG for FFH by WyattNichols
Jun 22, 2009 (5:53 pm)
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Has anyone kept track of their gas receipts and computed their mpg based on the gasoline purchased vs. the readout from the car?
 
I have. At my last fillup, 4673.0 miles, I had bought and thus burned or evaporated 123.91 gals (37.7 mpg), but the readout on my long term dash mpg was 38.9. The difference being about 3.5 gals.
 
I know there are measurement errors all around, but is this within the limits expected for the car's calculation or fuel pumps?
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Re: Actual MPG for FFH [WyattNichols] by akirby
Jun 22, 2009 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: WyattNichols (Jun 22, 2009 5:53 pm)

Did you reset the computer mpg when you filled up? You're only talking about a 3% difference. I think that's well within the margin of error for the pump or the computer.
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Re: Actual MPG for FFH [akirby] by WyattNichols
Jun 23, 2009 (1:57 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 22, 2009 7:03 pm)

Did you reset the computer mpg when you filled up?
 
No. I'm using the long term mpg since I picked up the car.
 
I have checked the mpg for each of the 10 tanks of gas I've bought. As it should be, the average mpg for these 10 tanks of gas was basically the same as the total gals bought divided into the total miles.
 
Yeah, I didn't think 3% off was all that bad, unless everybody else was getting a difference below the car's reported mpg. True measurement error should be distributed on both sides of the car's reported mpg.
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Re: Actual MPG for FFH [WyattNichols] by acdii
Jun 23, 2009 (6:15 am)
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Replying to: WyattNichols (Jun 23, 2009 1:57 am)

One of the factors involved with the trip computer is the speedometer calibration. I don't know how many others have noticed, the speedo is set a little higher than the actual speed, but the odometer is dead on. I couldnt tell you how many times I passed one of those speed signs that shows your MPH, and what is reported is roughly 3-5 MPH lower than the reading on the dash. To confirm I checked with the police departments of several towns and the county, the speed boards are all calibrated correctly, and it wasn't just my Camry, but all the cars I drive or have driven show the same thing. With the exception of my F350, the trip computers are actually accurate if you take into account the difference between the speedometer readout and the true MPH. This is why hand calculating is important to getting your true MPG of any car.
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Re: Actual MPG for FFH [acdii] by akirby
Jun 23, 2009 (6:32 am)
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Replying to: acdii (Jun 23, 2009 6:15 am)

There is one of those on my drive home every day. It is exactly 1 mph lower than my speedometer (06 SEL V6 FWD). It says 40, my speedometer says 41 mph.
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Re: Why hybrid? [fusion_female] by acdii
Jun 23, 2009 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: fusion_female (Jun 22, 2009 5:07 am)

From personal experience, the Prius and Camry Hybrid are incomparable, I have owned both. What I can tell you is I lost no money on the Prius, in fact made some money, but that was before everything came crashing down. The Camry Hybrid I have now is getting far better MPG than I could get with the I4 Camry. I am averaging above 38 MPG right now, and 35 MPG in the winter. On the highway if I drive it just right, I can see 50 MPG in it. The Prius I had, I got 65 MPG on the highway, by driving it just right. The resale value on the car will be higher than the I4 or V6, so the difference in cost for the hybrid technology IMO is a wash, much like in a diesel truck, you pay a premium up front for it, but in the end, that premium carries through in resale.
 
In the Fusion Hybrid, in city driving, I bet I could see 45+ MPG in it easily, just from the fact I have driven hybrids for two years now and know how to manipulate the pedal just right, but that takes practice and a constant eye on the gauges.
 
Personally, what it boils down to, is not cost, economics, being green etc. it comes down to personal preference, if you like it, buy it, who cares what it costs, what the so called "break even" point is, or how "good" it is for the environment. What matters most is if you like to drive it, is it comfortable to drive, is it fun, does it suit your needs, and do you feel safe driving it, these points are what matter most, everything else doesn't really matter.
 
When I traded my Prius for a Hyundai Veracruz, I was at first happy to be driving the Veracruz, and still enjoy driving it, but after a while I missed driving the hybrid, I did not miss the Prius at all, it was unconformable to drive for me, and I did not feel it was a safe enough car for me and my family, but I did miss the technology. A few months later I got a great deal on a Camry Hybrid, and I like driving it, I like the car, and it has been 100% reliable for the past 27,000 miles, other than a few quality concerns, nothing actually wrong, just cheap materials that I feel are not up to the standards I expect from a Toyota Camry, there is not a single thing wrong with the car. I have no concerns over repair issues, and seeing that others have gone 300K without replacing the pack, I feel the car will last me a long time. Now had Ford had the Fusion Hybrid out last year, there is a very good possibility I would have one of those instead, since the Ford quality is much higher than the Toyota is now. If I were to sell it, based of current used car prices, especially if gas prices go up , I am fairly confident I could come out ahead, with cash in hand after paying off the car loan.

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