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Re: Hybrid MPG question [bigt] by akirby
Jan 06, 2009 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: bigt (Jan 06, 2009 4:35 pm)

The main reason the Prius got 60 mpg on the old EPA tests but only 45 in the real world was that the old EPA test never used the A/C and in the Prius using the A/C forced the engine to run. That was one thing they changed for the 2008 tests to make it more realistic. As was stated the newer models with electric A/C may not do that, although you could only run the A/C for a short time without the engine to recharge the battery.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [explorerx4] by akirby
Jan 06, 2009 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 06, 2009 3:59 pm)

The Accord hybrid was a failure because it was not designed for optimal fuel economy. It was designed for V6 performance at I4 fuel economy rather than I4 performance with much better fuel economy. That won't be the case for the insight - they've learned their lesson. I believe Lexus has the same problem with the LS hybrid.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by explorerx4
Jan 06, 2009 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 5:31 pm)

that's why i posted that honda better make good on the new Insight.
new england has been a good market for honda, but they need new customers.
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by jd25
Jan 06, 2009 (9:02 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 03, 2009 9:47 pm)

Do we get a tax deduction for buying Ford Fusion Hybrid in 2009? How much is the deduction amount?
 
Thanks!
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Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [jd25] by akirby
Jan 07, 2009 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: jd25 (Jan 06, 2009 9:02 pm)

I think so but I'm not sure.
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Just stopping by by wvgasguy
Jan 07, 2009 (6:26 am)
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I found this thread and am indeed interested in the Fusion Hybrid. I see a lot of the questions being asked here are generic about Hybrids. For really good answers to some of your questions perhaps you should stop over to the threads on the Toyota Camry Hybrid. Most of the concerns and questions you will have about the Ford/Mercury can be answered there.
 
BTW, as for the new EPA estimates, I believe they assumed an "inexperienced" driver, or at least one that drove the hybrid as if it was the first time they had driven one to do the test drives. The Camry estimated dropped drastically in the new rating system. Yet I drove my TCH for 65,000 miles and averaged 37.3 mpg.
 
I don't know how the Ford will be "tuned" but I'm guessing it's similar to the camry. The Prius is indeed a great city car. However my experience is that the Camry was more balanced. It's a great balanced car. I did very little city driving. When I did I got well in excess of 40mpg. And no, interstate driving is not it's best function, although I believe it still outshines the ICE only 4cy versions. Where I found it to really be the ultimate is on 2 lane, normal driving patterns. It's a good balance of FE and comfort. I believe the Ford will be patterned after this design (just a guess).
 
Will the economics justify the purchase? Probably not, at least not without tax credits, but once you get used to having the power you need and still getting 35 mpg, it's hard to go back to anything else. I recently purchased a Highlander Hybrid. can't justify it to anyone but myself, but getting 25 mpg all the time makes me more satisfied than getting 24 on the highway but knowing I'll only get 17 most of the time in a non-hybrid version.
 
Everyone quotes their Highway milage when in fact most people never average anywhere near that number (at least I never did in the 30+ vehicles I've owned over the last 35 years)
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Re: Just stopping by [wvgasguy] by bigt
Jan 07, 2009 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: wvgasguy (Jan 07, 2009 6:26 am)

Thanks for such an elegant reply. I am really trying to sort all of this out. I love my MKZ but my mileage is an average of 17-18 in the city driving I do. Luckily I can work around the rush hours but still getting double what I am getting now is very appealing. Along with reduced carbon footprint.
 
Funny a buddy of mine and I were on the Toyota lot when the Camry HB showed up. It was bright red, I loved it and was about to trade in my 2006 Zephyr for it. I decided to show it to my girl the next day. When I got back my buddy already purchased it. So I sold my Zephyr to my girl and purchased a new MKZ bright red. He still got all of the attention because he had the Hybrid. Hmm, that is a interesting sales point.
 
Do people make a purchase decision on how much attention the car gets? I bet we do!
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Re: Just stopping by [bigt] by wvgasguy
Jan 07, 2009 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: bigt (Jan 07, 2009 6:40 am)

Do people make a purchase decision on how much attention the car gets? I bet we do!
 
We may not admit it but we do or else we'd all be driving around in gray Kia's.
 
FYI, if you're afraid of getting "bored" with a hybrid and you're some what interested in technology, then opt for the energy screens (included with the Nav system on the Toyota). I gave up horsepower in my Infiniti FX45 and found working with maximizing FE in the camry to be just as enjoyable of a driving experience.
 
Caution though, it will change you. I'm not a "green" person but I don't ever see myself buying a gas hog again. I recently went through the buying decision and just couldn't bring myself to buy something that didn't far exceed the competition in the same class. My TCH got better milage than my daughters Corolla. My wife loved it though because she only had to fill the tank every 550 miles. It's addictive.
 
The fact that Hybrids are green is a good consequence for me but I bought it for the FE in a large comfortable car.
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Lincoln??? by wvgasguy
Jan 07, 2009 (7:23 am)
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I wonder why they are not offering this package in the Lincoln since it's basically the same platform as the Fusion and Milan
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Re: Lincoln??? [wvgasguy] by texases
Jan 07, 2009 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: wvgasguy (Jan 07, 2009 7:23 am)

Same here, the Milan's not any kind of an upgrade over the Fusion, wish they did an MKZ version. I'm looking at the hybrid this way - would I prefer an Avalon, or, for the same money, give up a little room and acceleration for the added mileage? I just might. Folks never are asked to justify an expensive radio or a handling suspension package, but the hybrid choice always seems to get put under the economics microscope!

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