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Re: May-2009 Sales [lilengineerboy] by akirby
Jun 03, 2009 (4:34 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jun 02, 2009 4:54 pm)

A bigger piece of the pie is always better regardless of the size of the pie. At some point overall sales will go back up and when they do Ford will see a significant jump in sales volume if they maintain their increased market share.
 
The fact that Ford saw a month over month improvement and had a "less bad" month than Honda or Toyota is significant. The fact that they did it while reducing incentives is even better. And they have yet to sell the MKT, Transit Connect, new Taurus and Ecoboost versions of the Flex and MKS, all due later this year.
 
Throw in the Fiesta which will be a new market segment for Ford plus a redesigned Explorer, Euro Focus, etc. and Ford should be sitting pretty at the end of 2010.
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Re: May-2009 Sales [larsb] by acdii
Jun 03, 2009 (6:45 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jun 02, 2009 11:43 am)

Not so sure about holding off on the 2010 Prius. I had an 07 Prius, and compared to the Fusion, it looked and felt cheap, Toyota had better start putting some better quality into their cars if they want to keep up with Ford. The plastics they use in the Prius is mainly recycled, and it looks it, very susceptible to scratching, especially the dash. Unless Toyota has improved on material quality, the 2010 may not be much better than the 07 was, it sure isn't any larger inside of any note.
 
The only real advantage the Prius has over the Ford, MPG, that's about it, it sure isn't quality anymore.
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Re: May-2009 Sales [acdii] by jeff_h
Jun 06, 2009 (7:23 pm)
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Replying to: acdii (Jun 03, 2009 6:45 am)

acdii: The only real advantage the Prius has over the Ford, MPG, that's about it, it sure isn't quality anymore.
 
I am about to part ways with my 2005 Prius (with 127,000 miles, so I've gotten my use) and have ordered a Fusion hybrid -- like you said, the MPG is better in the Prius but after driving the Fusion there is no comparison when it comes to ride quality.
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Re: May-2009 Sales [jeff_h] by felt
Jun 09, 2009 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: jeff_h (Jun 06, 2009 7:23 pm)

I am considering a 2010 Prius. I think many improvements have been made in the 3rd generation.
 
I hate to buy before I see/drive a Fusion hybrid. Saturday I went to the local Ford dealer. My wife and I walked all around the showroom, walked around the lot, looked at numerous cars, and not one salesman approached us.
 
Next i called another Ford dealer 25 miles away. No 2010 Hybrids, and none expected for "several months."
 
I then called another dealer, 50 miles away. He said they have none and do not know when the factory will begin 2010 assembly.
 
I once rented a Fusion, and was impressed with the vehicle. But the dealers are going to need to show a bit more interest. Plus there is still a tax credit for the Fusion. Get with it Ford!
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Re: May-2009 Sales [felt] by jeff_h
Jun 09, 2009 (3:47 pm)
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Replying to: felt (Jun 09, 2009 2:10 pm)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the Prius. My 2005 model went 127,000 miles with only a couple problems, both of which were covered under my extended warranty. I was making the observation that to my wife and me, the ride in the Fusion was far comfier and we both rode front and back seats during the test drives. I have a carpooler that rides in the back seat everyday, so while for some that rarely ever have a backseat passenger, I have one regularly so it's important to me.
 
As for being ignored at the Ford dealership, what city and state was that in? I like to play the "Mississippi" game where I count "1-Mississippi, 2-Mississippi, etc" in my head to see how long they take to get to me. The first visit to the dealer made it to 12-Mississippi, I was almost over to the Fusions. We took a test drive in a regular Fusion (no hybrids on the lot, 2 were due-in) and that's all we wanted for that night, our only aim was to take a drive. The next time was just me going to back to place the order, and I got to 2-Mississippi and there was a guy there "hey there, can I help ya?" and I said no thanks I'm looking for (salesman's name). I should have started counting again because I wouldn't have made it past 6-Mississippi and there was another just as I had gotten halfway to the showroom... I made it past him, and like an NFL zone defense as soon as one broke off, there was another to pick up my moves. I finally made it past #3 to get into the door of the showroom and find my salesman, where we wrote up the papers to order the car. Sorry to hear your experience was like walking through a ghost town.
 
As for calling the dealer 25 miles away, they might have had none in stock at the time, but didn't they offer to special order one for you? I understand that you probably would not want to take them up on it without at least a test drive, but it's surprising that they didn't offer to order one for you as I think that's easy money for them with just watching the car come off the truck and doing PDI and then out the door it goes.
 
The other dealer (50 miles away) that said that they did not know when the factory would begin their 2010 assembly would have to be really out of touch. You should be able to (just like dealer should be able to) run a "build your own" online and then do an inventory search in their area. In fact, the dealer should have the capability to use their internal system and put in the car criteria and run a search within 500 miles. My Dad is retired and spends his time ferrying cars from one dealership to another (for a Toyota dealer), they do searches within their region all the time and my Ford salesman did a search for me to find my exact match and we decided we needed to order one. To hear that the dealer didn't know about any of this or not even know if the model was being built yet (I saw a window sticker with a build date of April, so there were probably some before that), wow that is surprising.
 
Well, whatever you decide on, be it Prius or Fusion or otherwise, good luck with it!
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Re: May-2009 Sales [felt] by WyattNichols
Jun 09, 2009 (3:58 pm)
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Replying to: felt (Jun 09, 2009 2:10 pm)

Yeah,
Several of us have commented on Ford's Fusion Hybrid advertisements, but no cars to buy.
 
The 2010s are out, each one of us who has a MMH or FFH has a 2010 car. My dealer has 2010 regular Fusions.
 
I've never driven a regular Fusion, but I suspect it would drive the same as the FFH.
 
If you can find a car to test drive, maybe a regular Fusion, you might want to special order a FFH so you get only the options you want. Many, but not all of the dealers are pre-ordering the FFHs with all the options because the demand is still high enough that FFH buyers will pay for options they don't need or want just to get the cars. Which means more profit for them.
 
Yesterday I read a review of the specs on the 2010 Prius and the FFH. There was very little difference between the two cars on interior dimensions. Now, I've never been in a 2010 Prius, but I drove a 2009 Prius for a week, and there is a big difference in the "feel" of the interior space, with the FFH "feeling" like an Accord. I know "feelings" aren't facts, but the Prius only felt a little bigger than my Saturn Ion. I suspect the Prius does have more trunk room than the FFH due to it being a hatchback.
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Re: May-2009 Sales [WyattNichols] by jeff_h
Jun 09, 2009 (4:19 pm)
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Replying to: WyattNichols (Jun 09, 2009 3:58 pm)

I am still waiting on my 2010 FFH, but did test drive both the regular model (when they did not have a hybrid on the lot) and also a hybrid. They are both on the same chassis and suspension and drove very similarly (transmissions are different but that's not really noticeable), I thought the FFH may have drove a bit better but I was probably biased since I was finally getting to drive the hybrid version.
 
The Prius is versatile and you can flip down the seats that cram all sorts of stuff in it, so if that's one's interest it's probably the better move. For me it was the ride as well as the $1,700 tax credit which is not longer available with the Prius and softens the blow of the price differential.

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