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#75 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by gregg_vw Jan 06, 2009 (11:05 am)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 10:56 am) Point taken.
#76 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [larsb] by explorerx4 Jan 06, 2009 (3:59 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Jan 06, 2009 8:50 am) lars, i live in new england, it gets cold here. in the saturday car section of the local paper(same owner as la times), there have been several letters published regarding the underperforming gas mileage of HCH's. the HAH was a failure. the 2 front runners are now the TCH and the FFH as sedans. Honda better bring some game with the new Insight. Replies to this message: coldcranker (Jan 06, 2009 4:46 pm) akirby (Jan 06, 2009 5:31 pm) explorerx4 (Jan 06, 2009 5:59 pm)
#77 of 1054 Hybrid MPG question by bigt Jan 06, 2009 (4:35 pm)
What happens when you run the air or heat in the Hybrid vehicle? I assume it runs the gasoline engine right? Replies to this message: coldcranker (Jan 06, 2009 4:56 pm) akirby (Jan 06, 2009 5:29 pm)
#78 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by coldcranker Jan 06, 2009 (4:40 pm)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 10:56 am) Wow, thats a ton of discussion. Anyway, my point way back still stands as mathematical, economic sense: If you drive more than 15,000 miles per year in city driving, then a hybrid will probably make economic sense. You probably have to raise that to 20,000 miles per year to justify a hybrid if you do a lot of highway driving, since hybrids really shine in city driving, and are only a little better in highway driving than non-hybrids. For example, you can get a Fusion for $20,000, and a hybrid version of the same vehicle for $27,000, very realistic cost numbers. I'm saying $7,000 buys a lot of gas, plus don't forget the insurance numbers are a little higher for the hybrid, too. Many people shopping are going to ask how much extra do I have to pay to get a Fusion hybrid over a regular Fusion? That said, hybrids are cool, and its nice to stick it to the Saudis and Chavez, too!!!!
#79 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [explorerx4] by coldcranker Jan 06, 2009 (4:46 pm)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 06, 2009 3:59 pm) explorerx4 said: "Honda better bring some game with the new Insight."   The Insight will be attractive for 2 main reasons: 1) Cost will be lower than any other hybrid. 2) Honda's have a great reputation.
#80 of 1054 Re: Hybrid MPG question [bigt] by coldcranker Jan 06, 2009 (4:56 pm)
Replying to: bigt (Jan 06, 2009 4:35 pm) bigt asked: "What happens when you run the air or heat in the Hybrid vehicle? I assume it runs the gasoline engine right?"   If the air conditioner runs off an electrical motor instead of off an engine drive belt, then you wouldn't necessarily have to run the engine when the air cond turned on. The heater could actually route battery heat (they do generate some heat) to the passengers. That being said, running the air conditioning will reduce your MPG just like any other vehicle. Running the heater in a hybrid hurts your MPG, while running the heater in a non-hybrid does not hurt MPG. I'm not sure what the hit in MPG is, but a hybrid will still do better than a non-hybrid overall. The EPA tests do take into account running the air conditioner a little, so you can use the EPA MPG numbers to compare between any vehicles with confidence.
#81 of 1054 Re: Hybrid MPG question [bigt] by akirby Jan 06, 2009 (5:29 pm)
Replying to: bigt (Jan 06, 2009 4:35 pm) The main reason the Prius got 60 mpg on the old EPA tests but only 45 in the real world was that the old EPA test never used the A/C and in the Prius using the A/C forced the engine to run. That was one thing they changed for the 2008 tests to make it more realistic. As was stated the newer models with electric A/C may not do that, although you could only run the A/C for a short time without the engine to recharge the battery.
#82 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [explorerx4] by akirby Jan 06, 2009 (5:31 pm)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 06, 2009 3:59 pm) The Accord hybrid was a failure because it was not designed for optimal fuel economy. It was designed for V6 performance at I4 fuel economy rather than I4 performance with much better fuel economy. That won't be the case for the insight - they've learned their lesson. I believe Lexus has the same problem with the LS hybrid. Replies to this message: explorerx4 (Jan 06, 2009 5:59 pm)
#83 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by explorerx4 Jan 06, 2009 (5:59 pm)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 5:31 pm) that's why i posted that honda better make good on the new Insight. new england has been a good market for honda, but they need new customers.
#84 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by jd25 Jan 06, 2009 (9:02 pm)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 03, 2009 9:47 pm) Do we get a tax deduction for buying Ford Fusion Hybrid in 2009? How much is the deduction amount?   Thanks! Replies to this message: akirby (Jan 07, 2009 5:58 am)

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