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#71 of 1054 Re: Fusion vs. Milan hybrid [texases] by akirby Jan 06, 2009 (10:01 am)
Replying to: texases (Jan 06, 2009 9:30 am) There are only cosmetic differences between the Fusion and Milan. The Milan only exists to support the Lincoln/Mercury dealers that don't sell Fords. The MKZ gets a lot of upgrades and options not on the Fusion/Milan.
#72 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by gregg_vw Jan 06, 2009 (10:02 am)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 8:12 am) Drive a hybrid because you want to and stop trying to rationalize them as being cheaper.   I don't think all of us ARE rationalizing them as cheaper (even though above examples show the case can be made). For me it is also about doing my small part. I will pay more to know that I am less dependent on a dwindling resource. If more people think that way, my thinking actually will make a difference in overall fleet fuel use. It is not always just about me and my pocketbook. It's like switching off a light that doesn't really need to be on...it is easier to leave it on that keep switching it on and off, but by making a small effort and combining it with others' small efforts, it makes a real difference for all of us. Replies to this message: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 10:56 am) gregg_vw (Jan 06, 2009 11:05 am) coldcranker (Jan 06, 2009 4:40 pm)
#73 of 1054 Re: Milian Rear Camera [bigt] by akirby Jan 06, 2009 (10:47 am)
Replying to: bigt (Jan 06, 2009 9:26 am) I wonder why the MKZ does not have a camera?   It does. What gave you the idea that it didn't?
#74 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [gregg_vw] by akirby Jan 06, 2009 (10:56 am)
Replying to: gregg_vw (Jan 06, 2009 10:02 am) I'm not trying to discourage hybrid purchases and there are many valid reasons to buy a hybrid as you pointed out - and I agree with them. But if your main reason is to save money there are better alternatives starting with keeping a vehicle that's already paid for rather than buying a new one. Most buyers tend to focus on the cost of fuel and potential savings (which is only a few hundred dollars per year) and ignore all of the other costs like depreciation, insurance, etc. (which is thousands per year) to rationalize their purchase.   I say if you want one, get one - you don't need a reason or justification. Replies to this message: gregg_vw (Jan 06, 2009 11:05 am) coldcranker (Jan 06, 2009 4:40 pm)
#75 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by gregg_vw Jan 06, 2009 (11:05 am)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 10:56 am) Point taken.
#76 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [larsb] by explorerx4 Jan 06, 2009 (3:59 pm)
Replying to: larsb (Jan 06, 2009 8:50 am) lars, i live in new england, it gets cold here. in the saturday car section of the local paper(same owner as la times), there have been several letters published regarding the underperforming gas mileage of HCH's. the HAH was a failure. the 2 front runners are now the TCH and the FFH as sedans. Honda better bring some game with the new Insight. Replies to this message: coldcranker (Jan 06, 2009 4:46 pm) akirby (Jan 06, 2009 5:31 pm) explorerx4 (Jan 06, 2009 5:59 pm)
#77 of 1054 Hybrid MPG question by bigt Jan 06, 2009 (4:35 pm)
What happens when you run the air or heat in the Hybrid vehicle? I assume it runs the gasoline engine right? Replies to this message: coldcranker (Jan 06, 2009 4:56 pm) akirby (Jan 06, 2009 5:29 pm)
#78 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [akirby] by coldcranker Jan 06, 2009 (4:40 pm)
Replying to: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 10:56 am) Wow, thats a ton of discussion. Anyway, my point way back still stands as mathematical, economic sense: If you drive more than 15,000 miles per year in city driving, then a hybrid will probably make economic sense. You probably have to raise that to 20,000 miles per year to justify a hybrid if you do a lot of highway driving, since hybrids really shine in city driving, and are only a little better in highway driving than non-hybrids. For example, you can get a Fusion for $20,000, and a hybrid version of the same vehicle for $27,000, very realistic cost numbers. I'm saying $7,000 buys a lot of gas, plus don't forget the insurance numbers are a little higher for the hybrid, too. Many people shopping are going to ask how much extra do I have to pay to get a Fusion hybrid over a regular Fusion? That said, hybrids are cool, and its nice to stick it to the Saudis and Chavez, too!!!!
#79 of 1054 Re: Fusion Hybrid '10 availability [explorerx4] by coldcranker Jan 06, 2009 (4:46 pm)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 06, 2009 3:59 pm) explorerx4 said: "Honda better bring some game with the new Insight."   The Insight will be attractive for 2 main reasons: 1) Cost will be lower than any other hybrid. 2) Honda's have a great reputation.
#80 of 1054 Re: Hybrid MPG question [bigt] by coldcranker Jan 06, 2009 (4:56 pm)
Replying to: bigt (Jan 06, 2009 4:35 pm) bigt asked: "What happens when you run the air or heat in the Hybrid vehicle? I assume it runs the gasoline engine right?"   If the air conditioner runs off an electrical motor instead of off an engine drive belt, then you wouldn't necessarily have to run the engine when the air cond turned on. The heater could actually route battery heat (they do generate some heat) to the passengers. That being said, running the air conditioning will reduce your MPG just like any other vehicle. Running the heater in a hybrid hurts your MPG, while running the heater in a non-hybrid does not hurt MPG. I'm not sure what the hit in MPG is, but a hybrid will still do better than a non-hybrid overall. The EPA tests do take into account running the air conditioner a little, so you can use the EPA MPG numbers to compare between any vehicles with confidence.

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