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Ford Fusion Hybrid, Mercury Milan Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, Sedan
#535 of 1144 Why the Fusion Hybrid is not the Final Word
Mar 28, 2009 (12:43 pm)
Don't necessarily drink the koolaid that you need all those expensive batteries and electric motors to get 40 MPG:
"If it were our money, the Fusion/Milan we want would be powered by the combination of a 1.6L EcoBoost four with dual-clutch transmission and start/stop that we saw in the Lincoln Concept C at this year's Detroit Auto Show. That powertrain would virtually match the 40-mpg fuel consumption potential of this hybrid at a considerably lower cost and no reduction in trunk space. Ford could probably offer that car in the low $20k range, virtually matching the VW Jetta TDI in price. But that car doesn't exist. Yet."
My comment: They are right. http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/03/10/review-2010-mercury-milan-hybrid/
#536 of 1144 Re: Battery Storage Comparison: Fusion vs. Others [coldcranker]
Mar 28, 2009 (3:12 pm)
Good point, seems like a compromise would be a best bet.
#537 of 1144 Re: Real Data [coldcranker]
Mar 28, 2009 (6:41 pm)
kdhspyder, Of course the 10 minutes 40 mph will go down if the car is loaded more. It might go down to 7 minutes or so, but not too severely. Electric only cruise time is not destroyed completely as you seem to indicate. WyattNichol's report on it going 2 miles is actually closer to what you would get.
HUH? That's exactly what I was saying in reply to the prior post. IMO 10 min in EV mode is too long. 2-4 min at a constant speed is about max from my experience. But...I can drive for up to 10 min without the ICE engaging if I coast down from 60 mph to 15 mph from a highway-driving to residential-area-driving.
But...as I noted above the outside conditions have to be perfect to accomplish this goal. Strong winds, bad traction, cold weather and extra weight will increase the demand on the battery thus shorten the EV period.
#538 of 1144 Re: Real Data [kdhspyder]
Mar 29, 2009 (8:19 am)
Pointless argument anyway. My experience with the TCH is that "pure" EV mode distance is meaningless. The TCH and I assume the FFH will give their best results when there is a mix of ICE engagement over the long haul allowing the battery to stay close to fully charged and assisting when needed for acceleration on to propel the car once in motion allowing the ICE to shut down or be assisted.
My best "sustainable" milage with the TCH, meaning on a drive longer than what the car could have went in full EV mode anyway, was on mildly hilly rural roads in West Virginia. I once obtained 57 mpg experimenting on a 25 mile drive using the back roads and practicing operations that yield maximum benefits from a hybrid system. In normal driving I would still obtain 42mpg on that same route.
Highway milage comparisons, such as the ads use, are useless unless one really does drive or commute with 90% of their driving on the interstate (and not the stop and go kinds like the DC beltway). The small cars advertising 33 mpg highway may do much better than that but my experience for my driving is I usually have an overall FE closer to the city milage. So comparing a Fusion with (I don't know the numbers) 24 city / 33 highway where I (and many others) would average no better than 26mpg to a FFH with something like 41 city / 40 highway and I could actually average 40 mpg requires me to be reasonable and compare the milage I expect to see for my type of driving. So for me instead of comparing 33 to 40 I would think it is more reasonable to compare 26 to 40 to see if it makes sense.
It's fun to watch these posts as they are identical arguments and opinions to the TCH threads from May 2006. I would never own a 4cySE Fusion but am interested in the FFH. Some find that hard to believe but my initial capital in buying a car has little to do with comparing different grade levels of the same model.
#539 of 1144 Announcement on Monday?
Mar 29, 2009 (9:12 am)
Here the President is going to make some sort of announcement on Monday reference the auto industry. I wonder if he is going to extend the tax credits. I am on the fence about this. I could go into my dealer on Tuesday and go for the Milan HB trading in my 2007 MKZ. If the tax credit gets extended I might wait to see one and perhaps pay less than MRSP. Then on the other hand I could also wait one or two years to see what other neat things come out. This is like Vegas, gas now going over 2 bucks. I got this feeling it will be 3 this year and 4 next year. If this happens you will not be able to even see a HB on the lot!
#541 of 1144 Re: Announcement on Monday? [bigt]
Mar 29, 2009 (7:30 pm)
It's all over the GM boards.
Tomorrow morning the President will give GM 60 days to restructure or it goes into a government controlled bankruptcy.
Tomorrow morning he will give Chrysler 30 days to be bought out by Fiat or it goes into Chp 11.
The CEO of GM is being pressured to leave, he will quit tomorrow.
Both GM and Chrysler will get some more money to stay afloat until the new deadlines. If they can't do it on their own then the loans get repaid and it's bankruptcy court.
#542 of 1144 enough talk
Mar 30, 2009 (12:52 pm)
I am at the dealership about to drive and purchase a black one!
#543 of 1144 Re: enough talk [bigt]
Mar 30, 2009 (3:14 pm)
I'm envious!!! When did this Black one arrive at your dealer? We ordered a Silver one back on Feb 23rd, and it was just assigned a Vin # this past week. The Dealer also has a Black one that is due in earlier, but they do not have an eta on it as yet. I'm thinking I'll need to wait another three to four weeks? Just a guess though. We're anxious to receive an eta on it. Keep us posted on how you liked the test drive.
#544 of 1144 Re: enough talk [hayley2]
Mar 30, 2009 (6:39 pm)
Ok, got it, MSRP - $500 dealer because I was contacted over 30 days ago and then - 650 from Ford but not sure why!
Black with every option there is. One just happened to show up from the dealer about a month ago who said they would have one soon. They did say more are on the way. The MKZ 2010 is the vechile that is late according to the salesman. A ton of beautiful MKS's sitting there. I was the first person to see it and drive the Milian HB. Ugh, there were not many customers around.
I did my part! I take delivery tomorrow right after I sale my MKZ.
Here I go, a Hybrid man!
BTW: On parts of the test driving I was doing I got 51 mpg!