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1054 messages, Last post on Nov 01, 2009 at 2:52 PM
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 1:48 pm) Real drivers, and real owners, are not SIMULATING anything - their results are "real world" results - much closer to what a REAL driver will get. People in the real world don't drive in a lab, the same way, with the same weather, the same route, same driver, same acceleration, speed, duration, same type of fuel. It's the EPA numbers which should be taken with a grain of salt and the real-world numbers which are more realistic - not the other way around. The EPA numbers are merely a basis of comparison to be used by car shoppers when comparing one or more potential cars to buy. That's all.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 05, 2009 2:19 pm) Like you said - the EPA test is for comparing vehicles, which is exactly what we were doing - comparing hybrid vs. non hybrid highway mileage. I think the FFH FE numbers will also show approximately 10% better highway mileage over the non hybrid I4.
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 2:26 pm) One could be considered hypothetical predictions and the other field testing of the hypothesis. It's pretty clear from millions of miles of field testing that the TCH will be able to exceed the non-hybrid version of the Camry and FHH the non-hybrid version of the Fusion by at least 20% on the highway. If you disagree then we'll leave it thusly... I can make the TCH and the FHH exceed their non-hybrid siblings by 20% on the highway. I've done it already so I'm confident enough in my own personal results to believe that the results will be consitent. Therefore like everything else in life personal experience is far more important than hypothetical predictions. YRMV.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 05, 2009 5:37 pm) |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 05, 2009 5:37 pm) There's a big difference in highway mileage depending on how fast you drive and whether you include getting on and off the highway or not, etc as well as whether you're using E-10 or not (which drops mileage noticeably in most vehicles). Your anecdotal evidence does not account for these differences - the EPA test does. Even with hundreds of online accounts, the sample size is still way too small and potentially skewed to be accurate.
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 6:04 am) |
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 6:04 am) Actually, the gh.com website has 148,512,469 miles registered. Even if you take into account that the number of "fudgers" in the group is 10%, which is probably about right based on societal norms, you still have a HUGE number of miles being reported accurately and honestly. Until someone shows me another better source, that site is and should be the Bible of real-world mileage reference. There are government fleet studies too which have registered real-world numbers. There are those at fueleconomy.gov which are real-world drivers. The various TDI forums have hundreds or thousands of real-world results. The smallest sample of all is the EPA test. It should be the least likely to be correct regarding real-world mileage.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 06, 2009 6:32 am) it's impossible to compare Car A getting x/y using Test 26 while driving aggressively and Car B getting n/m using Test 34 while driving conservatively.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 06, 2009 7:41 am) I personally had no problem meeting the 'old' EPA test values with any vehicle I've owned since the 80's. I also understood that the values posted were hypothetical for controlled circumstances. Outside conditions could increase or decrease the real world results. The weight of evidence supports the fact that today almost any driver can exceed the new EPA numbers by 5-15% in their daily usage. Going back to the original point that set off this discussion. The various hybrids on the road today are NOT solely intended for slow-and-go city or highway driving. That's an old and since-disproven misconception. Every one of the current hybrids is far better on the highway than their non-hybrid counterparts. I suggest that this 'far better' value runs from 20-30% better. You may have a different value and that's OK. Nonetheless it remains that the hybrids do outperform the non-hybrids significantly on the highway. When coupled with the phenomenal improvement of the worst case driving situation, i.e. slow-and-go traffic, then the hybrids are a solid economic decision for the appropriate buyer.
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