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1054 messages, Last post on Nov 01, 2009 at 2:52 PM
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 11:06 am) Of the 4 Camrys I've owned the lifetime averages have always been about 31 mpg. 85% of my driving is Highway. I'd expect both the TCH and certainly the FHH to approach 40 mpg all the time on the highway. The two that I've driven for more than 300 mi at Interstate speeds both got 38-39 mpg. From the available data and my own personal experience I think that the difference is about 20% on the highway, I'm pretty certain that I could push that towards 30%. YMMV.
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 11:06 am) Yep that was precisely my point. Buyers who expect to pay $25000+ for a vehicle with certain amenities will not flinch a bit at the FHH or TCH in the $28000 range. This is the demographic toward which these vehicles are aimed. These vehicles are NOT airmed toward the budget conscious buyer limited to vehicle prices in the $20K or lower range. That's Honda's territory. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 05, 2009 1:08 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 1:48 pm) Real drivers, and real owners, are not SIMULATING anything - their results are "real world" results - much closer to what a REAL driver will get. People in the real world don't drive in a lab, the same way, with the same weather, the same route, same driver, same acceleration, speed, duration, same type of fuel. It's the EPA numbers which should be taken with a grain of salt and the real-world numbers which are more realistic - not the other way around. The EPA numbers are merely a basis of comparison to be used by car shoppers when comparing one or more potential cars to buy. That's all.
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 05, 2009 2:19 pm) Like you said - the EPA test is for comparing vehicles, which is exactly what we were doing - comparing hybrid vs. non hybrid highway mileage. I think the FFH FE numbers will also show approximately 10% better highway mileage over the non hybrid I4.
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 05, 2009 2:26 pm) One could be considered hypothetical predictions and the other field testing of the hypothesis. It's pretty clear from millions of miles of field testing that the TCH will be able to exceed the non-hybrid version of the Camry and FHH the non-hybrid version of the Fusion by at least 20% on the highway. If you disagree then we'll leave it thusly... I can make the TCH and the FHH exceed their non-hybrid siblings by 20% on the highway. I've done it already so I'm confident enough in my own personal results to believe that the results will be consitent. Therefore like everything else in life personal experience is far more important than hypothetical predictions. YRMV.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 05, 2009 5:37 pm) |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 05, 2009 5:37 pm) There's a big difference in highway mileage depending on how fast you drive and whether you include getting on and off the highway or not, etc as well as whether you're using E-10 or not (which drops mileage noticeably in most vehicles). Your anecdotal evidence does not account for these differences - the EPA test does. Even with hundreds of online accounts, the sample size is still way too small and potentially skewed to be accurate.
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Replying to: akirby (Jan 06, 2009 6:04 am) |
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